stahl 122 1c2ndc

[upbeek]

rounded framed beauty came in an original packet ,blue,with full length mint ribbon which is bright red ,enjoy

[Chris Wainwrigh]

Great cross.I have a 122 JJ Stahl EK2.Mine has a loose core. How about yours Regards Chris

[George Stimson]

The core of mine is loose.

[Chris Wainwrigh]

Hi George

Is there any truth that loose core EK 2's are early war or is it some makers just didn't have the tight tolerances of other companys Regards Chris

[George Stimson]

Well, they can't be early war if they're stamped with a "P" number (a late war feature). I guess that they were just made less securely, for whatever reason -- maybe just the way a particular manufacturer assembled them. Maybe the looseness wasn't noticed, or nobody cared if it was.

Are there loose-cored Imperial EKs? (I'll go check mine....)

[Chris Wainwrigh]

I have seven Imperial Ek 2's that are all tight. I have a 25 1939 EK 2 that is loose.The EK 2 on this medal bar is very loose maker unknown Regards Chris

[upbeek]

122

its not slack,but it does easily move about,thanks for your response guys,
regards chay

[George Stimson]

I have two "25s" -- both tight.

[upbeek]

122

hello george ,what are 25s?are they same maker?

[George Stimson]

Yes, specifically, the Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Graveur-Gold-und-Silber-schmied-Innungen.

[upbeek]

122

hallo george,
jesus that looks too complex,can you break it down?
chay

[keifer kahn]

"P" or prasidialkanzlei numbers were introduced in march 1941.

I wouldnt call that late war.

[George Stimson]

Keifer,

Are you sure you're not thinking of LDO numbers? According to Gordon's EK book, manufacturers were instructed to begin using "P" numbers "sometime in mid-1944."

[keifer kahn]

Being instructed to use them doesnt mean the regulation wasnt in place already.
The regulation was not rigidly enforced at its conception.It may of taken till 44,for the manufacturers to be "corrected"in their apllication of the regulation and it was then implemented more rigidly.

According to robin lumsdens book"medals and decorations of hitlers germany" P registration numbers and L/ numbers were required to be stamped on all state decorations from march 1941.The "lieferant" or L numbers were in use before the war.Some early pre war nazi badges had "L/"numbers.

For example the russian front medal was instituted 26 may 1942,and was produced for issue not long after.
There are many examples of this medal issued before the end of 1942.The majority of early russian front medals have"P"registration numbers stamped on their suspension rings.

[George Stimson]

Okay!