EK11 Juncker, hopefully.

[Allan P.]

A recent pick up, a Juncker I think?

What do you say guys?

Allan

[Allan P.]

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[John Henderson]

Hi Allan, thats a very nice cross you have. I would agree. A Juncker.
Nice find.

regards John

[Douglas 5]

Hi Allen :
I disagree ... that cross is not a Juncker .

Douglas

[Allan P.]

Come on chaps, any more opinions on the dates, cross hatching?

Allan

[Flemming]

Hi Allen :
I disagree ... that cross is not a Juncker .

Douglas

W&L then?

/Flemming

[Douglas 5]

Very close Flemming , very close .
They are the AWS dies W&L obtained and used .

Douglas

[plaut]

IMO it's "flawed frame" Juncker

[streptile]

Hi Allan,

I recognize that cross. I think it used to belong to Robert P.

I agree with Douglas that this one is not easy, but in my opinion it is a Juncker. The frame is known to some as the "long flaw" or "flawed" frame.

Here is mine, the finest cross I ever owned, unfortunately now sold:



The problem with making a definite attribution is that, unlike Juncker's other two common frames and cores, the frame and core used on this one have never been seen (to my knowledge) in an L/12 marked EK1.

In favor of Juncker as a maker is the cross-hatching, the jumpring lug, and the traditional Juncker shape of the cross (which is pretty distinctive). But mostly, I tend to consider this one a Juncker because this same cross is also known with a different core, which is without doubt a Juncker core. I have the pictures saved somewhere, and if I dig them up I will post them.

Why they never made EK1s with this frame/core combo is a mystery to me.

Overall, as Douglas shows, there is some legitimate doubt as to the maker of this cross. To me, a Juncker. But we need more info.

[streptile]

They are the AWS dies

Hi Douglas,

Allan's is a different frame from the AWS:

[streptile]

But mostly, I tend to consider this one a Juncker because this same cross is also known with a different core, which is without doubt a Juncker core. I have the pictures saved somewhere, and if I dig them up I will post them.

Here we go.

This is the same frame as your cross, Allan, and a Juncker core.

To me this is compelling but not definitive evidence that Juncker made this cross.

Photo credit lost....

[Douglas 5]

Tricky indeed . ... can't help but to think we have another die involved here . Allans and your last one to me are not a match frame wise at all .
Circeled out some differences .

Douglas

[streptile]

Hmm. I don't know. To me they are very clearly the same frame, the so-called "long flaw" frame. The long flaw can be seen running down the 7 o'clock beading strand on both. In addition to that distinct feature, everything else is the same to my eyes.

Also, the cross I show (on the right in your comparison) does have a jumpring lug, it's just hidden behind the ring itself.

[Hans Kondor]

Nice, one of my favourite desgin, here is mine:

[streptile]

HERE is a good old discussion of this exact cross when Robert got it.