This schinkle strained my patience to the max....

[ben bijker]

Just my wording when I rush things .
Ok ... so surprizingly everything is different . They changed everything ... which makes me think evermore that they were given something to go by .

Douglas

That is a possibility, but if someone that makes and sells the disc drops in and tells you that you can save 20 % on production by altering the screw, that might have been a good reason as well.
Don't forget we are talking about huge numbers here...
And profit is profit....

[Douglas 5]

A matter of economics then .....
........ the regimn was oddly enough concern with crosses having only iron cores and no vaulting .

Douglas

[streptile]

So nice!

I remember the first one I saw of these, I had a chance to buy it, but I wasn't sure enough of my judgment so I let it go

Congratulations.

[ben bijker]

Go kick yourself in the @ss, if you don't, I will!!

but only if you kick me back, I deserve it too....

[ben bijker]

A matter of economics then .....
........ the regimn was oddly enough concern with crosses having only iron cores and no vaulting .

Douglas

And even that was ignored...
Ever seen a magnetic L/19... No...
L/12, L /16, L/18, L/15... they all made non-magnetic, L/ marked crosses...
so : NOT allowed under LdO rules.....


So obviously they did have other concerns....

[Douglas 5]

And then also - Ben - original restriction over time - progression of the war and lack of materials etc - were 'relaxed' or not enforced or retracted .
Early pieces had guidelines and these did not last that long . With the start of the Gablonzer method not surprizing zink cores made a 2nd comeback . This would naturly show up in LDO pieces too . The increasing demand saw more and more lower quality crosses being used .

Douglas

[wvdparis2]

Congrats Ben

I looked for this rare variations (I like the pair) a long time but it never came to me

Your collection never stop amazing me

Michael

[ben bijker]

Congrats Ben

I looked for this rare variations (I like the pair) a long time but it never came to me

Your collection never stop amazing me

Michael

Thanks michael,
they are rare indeed, I know about 2 or 3 of these only...

[ben bijker]

And then also - Ben - original restriction over time - progression of the war and lack of materials etc - were 'relaxed' or not enforced or retracted .
Early pieces had guidelines and these did not last that long . With the start of the Gablonzer method not surprizing zink cores made a 2nd comeback . This would naturly show up in LDO pieces too . The increasing demand saw more and more lower quality crosses being used .

Douglas

Douglas,
that seems logical.

I don't see why zinc made a comeback when the Gablozer method was introduced?
It was only used for putting the frames together.

And: why are there not more unmagnetic ek2 around then??

[Douglas 5]

Ben ;
The idea of the Gablonzer methode was to improve production , create more awards with less material and preserve or replace metal needed for the war effort . Zink cores for a short while were used for these crosses . A methode that was short lived and a few companies did try out but it never took hold . Mass production that sacrificed quality ! It also tied up a set of your production dies and cores still had to be shipped to Gablonz facility .
It appears the use of the companies zink was at their own discression and ended up for other awards and cross cores continued to be made out of iron .

Douglas

[Christian J]

Very nice cross. Welcome to the club Ben.
Same cross that's posted by Trevor in this thread?
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...auer+screwback

[streptile]

No kidding! The same one. That is the one I could have bought, but passed on

[Christian J]

No kidding! The same one. That is the one I could have bought, but passed on

Do you remember where it was for sale? Looks like Kai Winkler's old website (Nordheide-Versand).

So this still makes it only three crosses that I know of.

[streptile]

Weitze.

[ben bijker]

So it's a small world after all...

Good you didn't buy it, Trevor...


@ Douglas: I know the Gablonzer methode was to crank up production, but I don't see the connection with re-introducing zinc, unless it was to make the dies last longer.

Hard to believe they still could use what they preferred, although I know there are many exeptions with an L/ stamp and a non-magnetic core.
EK 2 on the other hand are not so common with a non magnetic core.