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    Help identifying marker of a EK I 1939

    Hello,

    To all WW2 EK specialists.

    Can one find out by the photos below which maker has made this EK I 1939?

    The EK does not have any marks. No better photos available right now.

    Many thanks in advance.

    Andy
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    Hi Andy,

    good that you found the way to us ... . "Walk into the light, walk into the light ...."

    This is a Souval.

    Dietrich
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      Help identifying marker of a EK I 1939

      Hello Dietrich,

      Thank you for the fast answer.

      Can you identify, whether it is a production from the wartime or the post-war period of Souval?

      Andy

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        #4
        Personally I believe that is a wartime cross, but Souvals are difficult. I think this pin, and this frame (with this flaw) were not used postwar. Some new information may come to light to contradict this, but for now I would be very happy with this cross.
        Best regards,
        Streptile

        Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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          #5
          I agree with Trevor based on the pin. I know that a lot of companies had huge left over frames (and other parts....) which were used up after the war. So the frame could be wartime, the assembly might not be (generally speaking). This is especially true with Souval and Orth...
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            Help identifying marker of a EK I 1939

            Originally posted by streptile View Post
            ... I think this pin, and this frame (with this flaw) were not used postwar...
            Hallo,

            Please, be so kind and show me on the EK frame which “flaw” do you mean.

            Andy

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              #7
              Originally posted by Andy K. View Post
              Hallo,

              Please, be so kind and show me on the EK frame which “flaw” do you mean.

              Andy
              Hi Andy,

              Here is a shot, courtesy of Robert Pierce, of the Souval flaw. Many believe this flaw is found only on wartime crosses. I am not sure either way, as I've not seen the evidence. But I do think your cross has it:

              Best regards,
              Streptile

              Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                Help identifying marker of a EK I 1939

                Hello Trevor,

                Yes you are right. I checked the EK in this thread carefully and it has this flaw too.

                Many thanks again.

                Andy

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                  #9
                  The post war productions also have the frame with the flaw.
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                    Help identifying marker of a EK I 1939

                    Originally posted by Dietrich Maerz View Post
                    The post war productions also have the frame with the flaw.
                    And what are from your point of view the main characteristics of a post war produced EK I 1939 from Souval?

                    Andy

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                      #11
                      I think the issue here is that as Dietrich and Trevor discuss this, from my understanding, there is much debate of the characteristics of a post war and wartime produced Souval. I'm sure one or both of these guys, who know far more than I, can help, but in the end it may be a debate that can't be 100% solved. Then again, I've been wrong once or twice in my 28 years on this Earth...


                      Ryan

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                        #12
                        Hi,

                        While I agree that's a Souval frame I think it might be the skinny swas core associated to Orth. I'd expect to see the fat swas and dipped 3 if it was the Souval core.

                        Regards,
                        Stu

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                          Originally posted by Andy K. View Post
                          And what are from your point of view the main characteristics of a post war produced EK I 1939 from Souval?

                          Andy
                          I don't know. I was only talking about Souval FRAMES which have been used by others post war.
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