Yet one more Meybauer core...

[Robert P.]

Hello gentlemen,

I received this unmarked Meybauer recently and noticed the core to be a little different than other examples in my collection. For one thing the swasi is much lower in profile that any other example I own. The beading is better defined also. I'm guessing this to be an early example. Any thoughts?

Robert

[Robert P.]

Here is another unmarked Meybauer cross. Notice the very tall swasi. Perhaps the core above had a shallow strike. ??

[George Stimson]

Likelier a shallower strike than a completely different core die, IMO.

[Robert P.]

Likelier a shallower strike than a completely different core die, IMO.

Yes, the dates look very much alike, don't they.

Robert

[Douglas 5]

Well Robert a very interesting description .
All I see is a S&L 2nd frame with what seams like a S&L 3rd or 4th core maybe . Is the 1 a bit taller ??

Douglas

[Robert P.]

Hi Douglas,

Here is a comparitive montage of the Meybauer (top), and an S&L (bottom). Compare the numbers in the dates. Granted, there are similarities between the Meybauer and S&L frames. But, this thread-opener is a Meybauer, IMO.

I believe this S&L core is the 2nd pattern. Could you post a 3rd of 4th pattern core to compare with this Meybauer?

Respectfully,
Robert

[Robert P.]

Here is the reverse of the thread-opener. Very distinct Meybauer date...

Robert

[Douglas 5]

Long day Robert , so a quit comparison that is marked 4 for S&L and it looks to me may match your front frame and core ( S&L bead connector ). Frame die has very bad die cracking that exstends the point ridges even furture over the frame . More later .

Douglas

[Robert P.]

Sorry Douglas,

I see differences in the frame details and the core dates.

Kind regards,

Robert

[Douglas 5]

Not the best comparison .... wear , lighting and scale are different . Frames are from S&L . The core fronts are very close but after looking at the reverse now the back core date are completly different . The reverse is not even a S&L die .

Douglas

[Douglas 5]

These 2 Marked Maybauer crosses have a different frame with no - bead connector . Did Maybauer use S&L frames , ....?

Douglas

[Robert P.]

I used to also think Meybauer used S&L frames. There are many similarities between the two. Meybauer used the 'chemical dip' method for their frosting, making finer detailing of their beading nearly impossible to see. Their earlier examples didn't use this process, and their beading detail is easily seen. I've measured the thicknesses of both Meybauer and S&L frames, and the results were mixed. I'll have to look over the frames in greater depth again, and post some findings.

Regards,
Robert

[Robert P.]

Here's an early S&L on the left, and an early Meybauer on the right. Surprising similarities...

Robert

[Douglas 5]

The early Meybauer does have an S&L frame .

Douglas

[Robert P.]

Very interesting Douglas,

I haven't had the time yet to sit and photograph the outside beading, etc. of both the Meybauer and S&L EKII's. Luckily I have enough examples to do a good comparitive study.

Robert