FINALLY, Legion Condor estate with Spanish cross.

[USA-Alex]

Hello,

finally, the mail man showed up and brought me my goodies

I made a few quick shots, what do you think?
Any info's on the case for the SC?

Thanks for watching

Alex

[MH184]

The box the SC lives in is a latter/late war box which could potentially house all manner of awards. Well, that is we know it was intended for another award (unknown??) as the internals always appear to have been taken out - sometimes magenta coloured fibres are found within the glue deposits.

This box is more commonly associated with Deumer Luft awards, that much can be said of the box. And, some examples encountered even have Deumer labels stuck to them.

So accounting for the cross: I strongly believe this very cross and the box do not correctly belong together as a pair, no. Part of the group belonging to the guy I can believe.


KR

Marcus

[juoneen]

Tooled leather cover is not original marcus....looks like it says its made in catalina island cal, by a guy named salmanca it appears. The guy who tooled the leather didnt know the eagles head would be drooping for sure , wouldnt you say? Maybe a retired german luftwaffe man lived in cal, or visited there and had it made to house his photos while visiting there? My opinion of course. Congratulations on the deal coming thru.

[USA-Alex]

Hello Markus,

thanks for the info regarding the case.
The cross is a C.E.Junkers, so chances are slim that this cross was awarded in this box?

Did anyone here in the forum got a Junkers with such a box first hand from a soldier/owner?

Grasping for straws here

Alex

[USA-Alex]

Tooled leather cover is not original marcus....looks like it says its made in catalina island cal, by a guy named salmanca it appears. The guy who tooled the leather didnt know the eagles head would be drooping for sure , wouldnt you say? Maybe a retired german luftwaffe man lived in cal, or visited there and had it made to house his photos while visiting there? My opinion of course. Congratulations on the deal coming thru.

Hello Juoneen,

thank you very much for your opinion.
I'm a little confused with your statement "Tooled leather cover is not original marcus".

Do you mean that you don't believe the album is period made or was there a "official issued" photo album for Legion Condor soldiers and this one does not match the criterias of known examples?

Unfortunately the album is empty, only the "paper photo corners" remain in there.


It would be great if you could share the details why do you think it is not original and what do you think is not original.


Thank you very much in advance

Alex

[streptile]

Tooled leather cover is not original marcus....looks like it says its made in catalina island cal, by a guy named salmanca it appears. The guy who tooled the leather didnt know the eagles head would be drooping for sure , wouldnt you say? Maybe a retired german luftwaffe man lived in cal, or visited there and had it made to house his photos while visiting there? My opinion of course. Congratulations on the deal coming thru.

I have no idea about when or where the tooled leather was made, but I should point out that, of course, Salamanca is a Spanish city northwest of Madrid, and Catalina is a common place name in Spain, and potentially a person's name. I'm not sure that a dude in California named Salamanca necessarily did this tooling.

Nice group, by the way.

[MH184]

I have no idea about when or where the tooled leather was made, but I should point out that, of course, Salamanca is a Spanish city northwest of Madrid, and Catalina is a common place name in Spain, and potentially a person's name. I'm not sure that a dude in California named Salamanca necessarily did this tooling.

Nice group, by the way.

Salamanca certainly is, Trevor!! And a relevant pleace during the Civil War.

Take a look at this comparison of the city and the depiction. I couldn't tell you anything about the leather.......or where it was made..etc

[MH184]

Hello Markus,

thanks for the info regarding the case.
The cross is a C.E.Junkers, so chances are slim that this cross was awarded in this box?

Did anyone here in the forum got a Junkers with such a box first hand from a soldier/owner?

Grasping for straws here

Alex

Hi Alex,


I'd say definately not awarded in this box!!

These dark blue boxes are in my opinion were used from around mid 1944 in this stripped guise - with the internal components removed, i.e the box was actually existing stock intended for some other - unknown to us - award. The material I think was perhaps red on the fittings, and the pinky colour comes from the material dye mixing with the glue).

I say 1944, in accordance to prescribed regulations at that very time pertaining to the use of cases + packets, and the foreseeable constraints within the industry. So there was some sanctioned application of an alternative and ''make use of what you have,'' but still ensuring the appeal of a standard.

In knowing where several of the Ludenscheid makers obtained their packaging wares and considering it is an ''adapted'' case, the chances of an earlier guise Berlin made issue piece being in one these, bears no relation at all to the SC within logistical reason or an appropriate time-frame.

KR

Marcus

[JCM - 1963]

Talking about the album photographs, the members of the Legion Condor was very common to make gifts, and this photo album seems a real gift indeed Salamanca is a city in which Franco was elected as head of the State and from 1 October 1936 in Salamanca was the headquarters of the army until the end of the war.

Catalina C name must be the author worked leather albun signature or of the person who made the gift, I repeat, it was usual to make such gifts for girls to members of the Legion Condor.

I don't have any reason to doubt the authenticity of photographs worked leather album.

In my opinion you have made a purchase magnificent, congratulations.

Greetings from Madrid.

Julio.

[Don D.]

Tooled leather cover is not original marcus....looks like it says its made in catalina island cal, by a guy named salmanca it appears. The guy who tooled the leather didnt know the eagles head would be drooping for sure , wouldnt you say? Maybe a retired german luftwaffe man lived in cal, or visited there and had it made to house his photos while visiting there? My opinion of course. Congratulations on the deal coming thru.

I think you mean Sal A. Manca. Perhaps a jump into geography is in order.

On another note, when did this guy get the wound badge? If he was awarded this one for wounds during his service in Spain then we are looking at a rare bird indeed.

[JCM - 1963]

On another note, when did this guy get the wound badge? If he was awarded this one for wounds during his service in Spain then we are looking at a rare bird indeed.

I can not assure it, but I think that it is later in the Spanish Civil war, since campaign Medal is of the delivered after the war, which were delivered to the Legion Condor in Spain war period have a "diamond under the ring" and low manufacturer signature the tip of the sword, these are authentic them delivered to the Legion Condor in Spain war period.

Which shows USA - Alex is the supplied replacement for loss or damage.

Here a photograph of my collection medal.

Greetings from Madrid.

[JCM - 1963]

Actually I am right, not I had set out in document granting the medal has 5 September 1939 date, Spain war ended on 1 April 1939, so it's medals awarded to our conflict.

Julio

[Don D.]

Perhaps but, what if he was wounded and shipped back to Germany? Perhaps he wasn't in country when the campaign medals were awarded.

[USA-Alex]

Salamanca certainly is, Trevor!! And a relevant pleace during the Civil War.

Take a look at this comparison of the city and the depiction. I couldn't tell you anything about the leather.......or where it was made..etc

Hello Marcus,

you nailed it , imho the detail on the leather cover is impressive.
It is a very precise and fine craftet piece of art.


Alex

[USA-Alex]

Hi Alex,


I'd say definately not awarded in this box!!

These dark blue boxes are in my opinion were used from around mid 1944 in this stripped guise - with the internal components removed, i.e the box was actually existing stock intended for some other - unknown to us - award. The material I think was perhaps red on the fittings, and the pinky colour comes from the material dye mixing with the glue).

I say 1944, in accordance to prescribed regulations at that very time pertaining to the use of cases + packets, and the foreseeable constraints within the industry. So there was some sanctioned application of an alternative and ''make use of what you have,'' but still ensuring the appeal of a standard.

In knowing where several of the Ludenscheid makers obtained their packaging wares and considering it is an ''adapted'' case, the chances of an earlier guise Berlin made issue piece being in one these, bears no relation at all to the SC within logistical reason or an appropriate time-frame.

KR

Marcus

Hello Marcus,

that was a plausible explanation, I'd say you convinced me even if it is not what I would have liked to hear

Anyhow, I think the cross fits nicely in the case.


Alex