stein haur and luck pin

[Terry OToole]

hi gents , could anyone please confirm that this is the right pin for a s&l dkis

[evilmike]

Terry, do you know the story on the S&L crosses its a very questionable manufacturer believed to be post war

[Terry OToole]

thanks Mike , yes i m aware of that , but as always there seems to be 2 camps , i believe those marked are better bets

[fabri-online]

in my opinion the back side is a post war S&L , as all DK by S&L.
however a really nice example.

[Leroy]

in my opinion the back side is a post war S&L , as all DK by S&L.

Perhaps one of our British members could ask the IWM about that.....

[Terry OToole]

back

[Terry OToole]

i think i need to point out that the first pic shown was only to establish what a s&l pin looked like , this is the cross in question

[Leroy]

Different cross? What does the pin on this one have on it (if anything)? I'd go along with your earlier statement that the ones with pins marked "4" are a better bet.

[Terry OToole]

as the pin has gone i don t know what the marking was hence why i used the pic of the other to see if that was the shape of the pin

[fabri-online]

Perhaps one of our British members could ask the IWM about that.....

sorry but I didn' t understand it, please can you explain what is the IWM ?

[Leroy]

IWM = Imperial War Museum in England. Very many of the German awards in their collection apparently came from Ludenscheid immediately after the war.

S&L is not known to have stamped postwar made parts with their assigned PKZ number ("4"). It is entirely possible, in fact likely, that DKIG's and DKIS's were assembled using wartime made parts after the war. It is my personal belief that if a DK from S&L is well-finished, the pin is marked "4", and the finish surrounding the pin, hinge and catch matches the finish on the rest of the cross, it was wartime assembled. If the finish in those areas does not match, it is a cross completed postwar.

[Scott C.]

Posted in error.

[fabri-online]

thank you very much for explanation, really interesting.
things you have sayd could be true, never say never, especially about the end of war, but IMO there too many S&L to not have traces of their production during the WW2.
this is really an interesting theme..

[Leroy]

thank you very much for explanation, really interesting.
things you have sayd could be true, never say never, especially about the end of war, but IMO there too many S&L to not have traces of their production during the WW2.
this is really an interesting theme..

Fabri,
Let me make myself more clear: I do believe S&L produced DK's during the war.
Best,
Leroy

[fabri-online]

ok Leroy, thank you.
You opinion is very respectable.