EK1 mm 51. Oppinions needed.

[kaaatinaz]

Hi,
good/bad? Maker mark 51.
http://img109.imageshack.us/i/961823153.jpg/
http://img268.imageshack.us/i/961823152.jpg/
http://img109.imageshack.us/i/961823151.jpg/
Thank You in advance!

[schönbeck]

100% fake! Easiest way is to start with checking known makers and this is not one of them. This copy is a one piece and well all is wrong.

[TRAVLRSEASIA]

mm51

I second daniel's comments...the date is all wrong as well...100% fugazi!

[kaaatinaz]

Thank You, guys.

[Peter Wiking]

I have decided to post the obverse of this 51 marked fake for future reference.

[Hans Kondor]

That one is easy to spot...

[baldy1939]

this old fake keeps popping up everywhere

[Wik]

Hey guys, sorry if i'm hijacking this thread lol it is not my purpose, but I had a question.

I have tried using the "fakes vault" in the members area, but I am still very much learning things and have a hard time spotting fakes. For me, personally, having a pic of a fake tells me nothing because I am still struggling to know what I am looking for/at. Because of this I am wondering what about the cross makes it a fake? Is it the beading? The paint? The Swaz? Just curious and thought this would be the perfect topic to comment on this issue I am having!

[streptile]

Hey guys, sorry if i'm hijacking this thread lol it is not my purpose, but I had a question.

I have tried using the "fakes vault" in the members area, but I am still very much learning things and have a hard time spotting fakes. For me, personally, having a pic of a fake tells me nothing because I am still struggling to know what I am looking for/at. Because of this I am wondering what about the cross makes it a fake? Is it the beading? The paint? The Swaz? Just curious and thought this would be the perfect topic to comment on this issue I am having!

It's just a very hard question to answer. The best way is to handle a lot of originals. Barring that, read this forum like a book -- from start to finish -- and take careful note of the details to train your eye. There are no absolutes: one-piece, three-piece, magentic, non-magnetic, fat beading, thin beading, wide pin, thin pin, upright block, horizontal block, flat, vaulted... the variations of originals go on and on and on. The best thing to do is read, read, read, in my opinion. Study the forum like it's a textbook...

...then in a few months you can buy George and Dietrich's book.

[baldy1939]

I think Trevor has summed that up very well , & this forum is full of knowledge & very helpfull members .

[Ischak]

51 well known fake.

[Robert P.]

...then in a few months you can buy George and Dietrich's book.

Yes, this book will be a monumental asset for the collector!

[Steve Campbell]

When I saw the title of the thread talking about a MM 51, I knew the cross would be no good. These fakes have been shown here before. If you keep studying, over time you will start to pick up on these things.

[Wik]

I will definitely be picking it up! That being said, isn't it focused on 1st class EKs and not 2nd class? Or do the two go hand in hand?

[Robert P.]

I will definitely be picking it up! That being said, isn't it focused on 1st class EKs and not 2nd class? Or do the two go hand in hand?

I better leave that for George or Dietrich to answer.