Iron cross 1st class, without mark

[Oszeres]

Hello! Please help me to identify the manufacturer of this unmarked one! It can be either a Zimmermann, or a Grossmann. Someone said that it's a Deumer. So, I'm confused.


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[Ischak]

Hello! Please help me to identify the manufacturer of this unmarked one! It can be either a Zimmermann, or a Grossmann. Someone said that it's a Deumer. So, I'm confused.

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[Oszeres]

no photos here

OK. I've supplemented.

[Jon. H]

Early Deumer?

[fabri-online]

Early Deumer?

Yes, early Deumer. Someone call them Grossmanns because some of them are stamped with 11 on back instead of L/11 but why it is not clear at the moment.

[Robert P.]

Early Deumer?

Yes, an early Deumer.

[Oszeres]

Dear experts! Many thanks for the identification! Best regards Zoltan

[streptile]

I believe, personally, that these crosses unmarked ought to be called Deumers, and that that the same crosses marked '11' are very possibly Grossmanns. However, as Fabrizio says, it's not clear what the truth is at the moment. The reasons I think they could be Grossmanns are well articulated in THIS THREAD over at the GCA forum.