Rare ek1 unmarked "24"

[George Stimson]

Can someone present a nice comparison between one of these and the EK 2 by "24"?
Thanks!

[beuwulf]

Hi George, I can only give you the front pics of my unmarked cross Ek1...
And I have recived a mail from Weitze today, regarding the carton and cross..
I think it`s good that we try to get some decision about this cross....
I will come back later with the mail from Weitze....
Best Regards: Chris.....

[George Stimson]

Okay, Chris.
Here's the obverse of a "24" EK 2 for comparison purposes.

[George Stimson]

Another one.

[George Stimson]

And yet another one.

[wvdparis2]

I had chance to have 3 of those this year (only kept the best one), for comparison purpose the one I recently sold on the estand

[wvdparis2]

the one I still have in my collection...

[beuwulf]

Hi guys, as I said earlier I got an answer from the seller of the items who
started this BIG mystery of this cross and this thread.... Make your own
opinions...Here are the mail from WEITZE:


Dear Christian,

thank you for mail.
What can i say, the group is like we bought it. It fits all together, unmarked cross with not wellknown box and karton.

The company estate 1879 in Frankfurt/Main an was closed 1986. Hi worked for the Duke of Hessia ( Hofjuwelier ) and all the other royals.

best regards, Andreas


Thank you an best regards,

Andreas Dorn

Helmut Weitze Company
0049 40 352761
andreas.dorn@weitze.net

[LarryHW.]

Detlev

Anyone thought of getting Detlev's opinion?

[beuwulf]

Hi guys, I`m back, have sent email to Detlev gonna recieve answer maybe on monday...About the cross.. Also sent him pics of my cross....
Chris....

[LarryHW.]

Have we heard anything....

Anybody hear back for Wietze or Detlev? It would be interesting to see what they have to say.

[beuwulf]

Hi Larry, I sent my cross that is show on the second page to Detlev, for a
expert opinion and he has sent it back to me with a answer, maybe we
are gonna have a new discussion on this thread soon...I´ll get back to
this thread when I recieve the cross and mail from Detlev....
Best Regards: Chris.....

[fabri-online]

Hi larry, sorry i didn`t see that it was your cross robert was showing off...
Nice cross you got a hold on
And I also want to know if we got any more members that have this cross
out there... Please let me know...
1). Chris..... has got: 2
2). Larry..... has got: 1
3). Stefan... has got: 1
4). And a member got the one who bought his cross from weitze..
Best regards: Chris...

Hi Chris
yesterday I 've found another one and bought it, I 'll take pics when arrives.
p.s. tomorrow I 'll take pics of that L/10.

[LarryHW.]

Three possiblities....

My two pennies.....Without seeing anything from Detlev as yet, I think there are only three possiblities, with only one most likely...

1. The cross is real and the product of a much less known maker who somehow got premission to produce it.

2. The cross is made post-war from wartime parts. I have heard this possibility raised on almost every badge or award out there--Iron Cross, German Cross, etc. Almost always, it is difficult or impossible to prove. And, really, how likely is it?

3. The cross is a fake. If so, the fakers have taken their craft to a whole new level of sophisitication. Take a look at these pieces. Everything about them looks to be of wartime manufacture. They are made with a quailty that I have not yet seen on the fakes. If these are fake, we are all in trouble and had better be worried about a whole lot of other items we have.

Anybody feel otherwise?

Larry

[streptile]

I think it's important to keep in mind that many of us focus almost exclusively on marked crosses, and tend to overlook unmarked examples. If this particular type was always unmarked, there may be many more than we suspect just waiting to be found. We've seen this happen with the so-called "early Godet" EK1s -- as soon as they were identified on this forum as rare, folks started finding them all over the place. It just takes a little persistence in looking through unmarked crosses on dealer sites that many of us would ordinarily have overlooked.