KVK 1st w/o Swords

[George Stimson]

Frank,

So, you think mine is a second generation Floch copy and Arbeit's is a first generation Floch copy?

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear George,

Excuse my inaccurate answer two posts earlier.

-IMO the stippling is 100% the same

-hinge, pin, catch are different and Todd´s one also looks more convincing overall. This leaves speculation that Todd´s cross might be an ORIGINAL Schickle KVK, which served as a model for the Floch fake.

-One thing is fact: The Schickle catalogue shows that Schickle indeed made the KVK 1st class with AND without swords. There is no other (more believable KVK1st class without swords known that is marked for Schickle than the type Todd shows (while yours is definitely the Floch one as we know). This leaves speculation that Todd´s cross MIGHT be the original Schickle KVK 1st class without swords (serving as a role model for the Floch fake).

Cheers, Frank