Very strange Cased EK1 ;-)

[5tefan]

Hello ;-)

this cross is from an auction "321miliweb" ;-)
The auction pictures was realy bad, but I could see a pin system like K&Q and the inner frame wasn't round like K&Q and the 3 of the number design had no nose! That brought to one and only cross maker! The auction text was about a number "1" maker mark cross!
But it could be aslo a "2" maker mark?!?!?! Or was it a bad try to use an simular maker mark to increase the price?!
Or is it a signature from the owner?

If I would start a selection, maybe 99% would choose " bad try...to increase the price"

So, I'm looking forward for your opinion ;-)

So let's turn now to the EK1 CASE!

I don't know, if I always didn't saw the pressed double frame!
But it is the first time, that I see the pressed double frame on the side! Pls, see the pictures with the red arrows! Is it a characteristic to find the ID of the Case? Do you know this version?

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What is your opinion?

[5tefan]

Here is the cross ;-)

[fabri-online]

wonderful Juncker ! but someone had crazy idea to put that number deforming the pin..

[Robert P.]

I have one just like yours, only unmarked. I've always presumed the core to be a W&L...

[Robert P.]

reverse...

[TRAVLRSEASIA]

Strange ek1

Stefan;

i have one just like this..i believe this was a very early k/q. When i showed photos of this cross to several waf members; they also agreed it was a possible k/q but with a different core. I think they are a stunning variety of cross and quite unique.

[Robert P.]

Stefan;

i have one just like this..i believe this was a very early k/q. When i showed photos of this cross to several waf members; they also agreed it was a possible k/q but with a different core. I think they are a stunning variety of cross and quite unique.

I'm confused. I see the same (3) die flaws on Stefan's frame (mine included) typical to early Juncker. Also the scrunched bead at 2:00 adjacent the swas. Please excuse me for asking, but how do we attribute this frame to K&Q? Or, are we just speaking of the hardware?

[Robert P.]

Stefan,

I have a case just like yours. It has the same push button, the same pressed double frame and cream-colored interior...

[Robert P.]

Inside a K&Q...

[Robert P.]

Stefan,

I also have one marked Paul Meybauer, with the same color interior as yours, with the pressed double frame...

[Robert P.]

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[Robert P.]

I also have one more with an Orth '15' inside...same pressed double frame. I probably have more. Not rare.

[Robert P.]

Here are the (3) cases with the pressed double frame, as you call it. Some are faint, others are easily seen, but all have the pressed frame...

[Douglas 5]

The EK1 is :
Post 2 - the cross has a Juncker frame with a Juncker pin set . The core is a W&L 3rd Type .
The cases I have - some have the crease and some I have do not ... , just like in Robert's picture , some are more pronounced than on others .

Douglas

[5tefan]

Many Thanks for your response ;-)