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    Very strange Cased EK1 ;-)

    Hello ;-)

    this cross is from an auction "321miliweb" ;-)
    The auction pictures was realy bad, but I could see a pin system like K&Q and the inner frame wasn't round like K&Q and the 3 of the number design had no nose! That brought to one and only cross maker! The auction text was about a number "1" maker mark cross!
    But it could be aslo a "2" maker mark?!?!?! Or was it a bad try to use an simular maker mark to increase the price?!
    Or is it a signature from the owner?

    If I would start a selection, maybe 99% would choose " bad try...to increase the price"

    So, I'm looking forward for your opinion ;-)

    So let's turn now to the EK1 CASE!

    I don't know, if I always didn't saw the pressed double frame!
    But it is the first time, that I see the pressed double frame on the side! Pls, see the pictures with the red arrows! Is it a characteristic to find the ID of the Case? Do you know this version?

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    What is your opinion?







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    Here is the cross ;-)



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      #3
      wonderful Juncker ! but someone had crazy idea to put that number deforming the pin..

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        #4
        I have one just like yours, only unmarked. I've always presumed the core to be a W&L...
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          reverse...
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            Strange ek1

            Stefan;

            i have one just like this..i believe this was a very early k/q. When i showed photos of this cross to several waf members; they also agreed it was a possible k/q but with a different core. I think they are a stunning variety of cross and quite unique.

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              Originally posted by TRAVLRSEASIA View Post
              Stefan;

              i have one just like this..i believe this was a very early k/q. When i showed photos of this cross to several waf members; they also agreed it was a possible k/q but with a different core. I think they are a stunning variety of cross and quite unique.
              I'm confused. I see the same (3) die flaws on Stefan's frame (mine included) typical to early Juncker. Also the scrunched bead at 2:00 adjacent the swas. Please excuse me for asking, but how do we attribute this frame to K&Q? Or, are we just speaking of the hardware?
              Last edited by robert pierce; 07-09-2009, 11:11 PM.

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                Stefan,

                I have a case just like yours. It has the same push button, the same pressed double frame and cream-colored interior...
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                  Inside a K&Q...
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                    Stefan,

                    I also have one marked Paul Meybauer, with the same color interior as yours, with the pressed double frame...
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                        I also have one more with an Orth '15' inside...same pressed double frame. I probably have more. Not rare.

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                          Here are the (3) cases with the pressed double frame, as you call it. Some are faint, others are easily seen, but all have the pressed frame...
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                            The EK1 is :
                            Post 2 - the cross has a Juncker frame with a Juncker pin set . The core is a W&L 3rd Type .
                            The cases I have - some have the crease and some I have do not ... , just like in Robert's picture , some are more pronounced than on others .

                            Douglas

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                              Many Thanks for your response ;-)

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