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    EK1 Round 3 :

    A question to all : Have not worked on R3s much , just have one Deumer . Was looking at this EK1 R3 with a quit odd looking 9s and back color on it . A Zimmermann 20 marked cross , could not find one like it here . Did this maker have R3 cores ? Is it original ?

    Douglas
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          Hi Douglas

          I have never seen one like this, and my suspicion is that it's a fake core swapped into a '20' marked Zimmerman frame. The date looks like a well-known R-3 fake core. Or just the '20' pin has been attached to a fake one like shown below.

          Also, I think Zimmerman originally made their crosses unmarked, right? R-3's are early production, '20' marked EKs would be later. This one smells wrong.

          Here's a fake one with its usual hardware:




          Photos: WAF member John H.
          Best regards,
          Streptile

          Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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            Originally posted by streptile View Post
            ...and my suspicion is that it's a fake core swapped into a '20' marked Zimmerman frame. The date looks like a well-known R-3 fake core. Or just the '20' pin has been attached to a fake one like shown below.
            I agree!

            Regards

            Daniel
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            Daniel


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              Hello
              I agree with other members, I have just seen this EKI m.m. 20, it was an original Zimmermann but core was replaced with a fake to up-grade it.

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                OK , ... thanks gentlemen , ... something was bothering me about this one , thats why I put it up ! A closer look , as poor as it is , seams to indicate large gaps and thick soldering ... ! What a waste of a good cross ,
                Fake Galery candidate :

                Douglas
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                  Here are some picture of an other EK1 round 3 with mm "20"!

                  Maybe you can find a some relations! It was my 4th mistake after 3 Years!



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                    There are problems with all parts of the cross front and back ! The maker mark looks quit close .. you have a larger picture of it ?

                    Douglas
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                      Originally posted by Douglas 5 View Post
                      There are problems with all parts of the cross front and back ! The maker mark looks quit close .. you have a larger picture of it ?

                      Douglas
                      Hi Douglas ;-)

                      I can't make any further fotos!

                      The EK1 went back to the seller, because I buy always with money back guarantee - if it's not an original! I paid 220 Euro and got my money back ;-)

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                        Just hoping for more detail on the maker mark . That one has to be a fake mark on a fake cross . It would have been good to have a better side by side comparison to an original 20 maker mark . It would help to identify 'added' post war 20s to unmarked Zimmermann crosses .

                        Douglas

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