A frien came to me with this ;o))

[Gerner]

I would like to hear you opinions and all comments are welcomme.I don´t now but my feelings says it is a fake one.......... what do you mean.

[Douglas 5]

Core and pin set appear to be CF Zimmerman - unmarked 20 . Corners do not have the high bead count ? Appearance/color looks ok .

Douglas

[ApathyL]

its a good EK.1. im just not sure of the maker, correct me if im wrong, but on the obverse I thought it was an S&L, then when I looked at the pin, I thought is was an L/52 or #20. I no expert by far so let me know guys what my mistake is, although I have a good feeling about the cross. I think it is original !

Regards, Les.

[Hans N]

That reverse set up makes me think of the "43" marked buntmetal KVK´s.

[Robert P.]

The pin assembly is that of an early Deumer. The block hinge is smooth on the barrels, unlike the serrated type of a CF Zimmermann. And, under the pin next to the hinge, the corner is cut with a radius - not 90 degrees like a CF Zimmermann. The pin is slightly tapered like a Deumer, and slightly rounded at the end. I want to say the obverse is a Deumer, but I need to see clearer images of the inside beading adjacent the swasi to be sure.

[grueni1208]

Early Deumer piece.

Regards

Daniel

[Douglas 5]

Good eye Robert : I missed on this one badly . Was not aware of the fine different on the pin set between Deumer and Zimmerman .

Douglas

[Robert P.]

I miss my share as well, Douglas. The pin set up is very close to a Zimmermann. And, any time a photo is set at anything other than straight on I get thrown for a loop.

[WEISNER]

Its a Deumer for sure, Beading and tell tale radius at pin stop! Nice piece I would love to have!
Kevin

[juoneen]

Great patina, dont shine it up.(shows wear almost like the owner was near the ocean)

[Gerner]

Thank you all

for the comments from the experts

juoneen thank`s for the nice words,i can tell you i never shine my crosses up they shall be as they are