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[Robert P.]

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[Robert P.]

Douglas, what do these numbers tell you about this core? Are we dealing with the same scenario, a worn die again? If so, how do we explain those curvatures in the inner arms? I'm assuming that the swasi originated as a variant core with a thinner-bodied swasi, and grew larger with die wear like the '125' core. Am I close to being correct?

[Adrian]

Hi Robert :
Had server problems all day , just now getting on here .
Adrian was very close in his observations but probably does not know why . Both have the same core but yours is the reworked 2nd frame die . The core die is very worn . The flat sides to the swastika arm let the surface spread out fast with wear , just what has happened on yours . Working on pictures still .

Douglas

Very interesting! You gentlemen have been busy while I've been sleeping.
My camera is still being repaired so I can't add the side on pics Douglas but will see if I can borrow a camera to take the shots you need.

[Douglas 5]

As I mentioned I have been having server problems here . This may finaly run better now I hope .
Yes Robert , it is the die wear itself . An accumilation of dobble-wear . The top and bottom dies . Sie what pictures I have .

Douglas

[Douglas 5]

After a better look and comparison : wear is not a factor here as I first thought .

Douglas

[Robert P.]

Thank you, Douglas, for you sharing your thoughts. Wear adds a whole new study to these 'simple' numbered crosses. As usual, there is still so much to learn in the EK field. I find it very interesting, and very fortunate that you're here on this forum to share your knowledge with us. Thank you again.

[LuckyLuudje]

Thank you, Douglas, for you sharing your thoughts. Wear adds a whole new study to these 'simple' numbered crosses. As usual, there is still so much to learn in the EK field. I find it very interesting, and very fortunate that you're here on this forum to share your knowledge with us. Thank you again.

Same thoughts here, I always like to read these analyses

[Adrian]

Great analysis Douglas and great explanation, thank you for sharing your evidence.

[Douglas 5]

Thanks , .. I enjoy helping where I can and yes there is alot of unknowns yet in the field of crosses as Robert mentioned . A chalange where some misterys still can be and will be solved , ... and unfortunatly others will not . Crosses themselves can tell us alot about the mechanics of manufacturing of that time .
And a great thanks to all those who have helped me/us so far with data and abondance of picture samples . I do not have all possible variations of every cross I am studying , but amongst us we do . As a group we can achieve more for the benifit of others and for collectors to come .
Information not shared is lost ......................

Douglas

[LuckyLuudje]

Thanks , .. I enjoy helping where I can and yes there is alot of unknowns yet in the field of crosses as Robert mentioned . A chalange where some misterys still can be and will be solved , ... and unfortunatly others will not . Information not shared is lost ......................

Douglas

But can you blame them?
People only want to know: "is it original and what is it worth"
Or: "look what I have to show of that you don't have"
If you give an answer that they don't want to hear, you get alot of name calling in your PM box or mailbox.

Or you will get in an endless discussions.
The passionate collectors will find way's to keep communicating. Only not in public, sad but true.

I know that there are many thing I will not say in Public. And I know for sure that I am not alone in this.

Where are the people that really contribute any information?
Most just say it's mint when it has been recently cleaned. Rare when it is very common etc. etc.
There are not many people that really want to find out the truth.

Sorry: got carried away

[Douglas 5]

As it so happens 2 more of these crosses like Robert has - with the faint core strike- are comming up for Auction in Berlin May/June ! So not common one does run into them from time to time , these are not in as good of shape though .

Douglas

[Douglas 5]

And the 2nd one :