EKII '125' to show...

[Robert P.]

The ring light I use to photograph with once in awhile gives the black core a dark gray appearance. It IS quite smooth for an EK core, and photographs well under the light. The swasi on this cross looks like one of the K&Q core variants with it's bold appearance, but the numbers prove otherwise.

Here's another shot of the same cross using another light source...

[Robert P.]

Luud,

Here is a shot showing evidence that some filing had been done to the top of the arm, especially the angled filing to the one half of the frame where the hump would have been before assembly and finish filing...

[Flemming]

This is really interesting, keep it coming.

/Flemming

[Adrian]

I believe the frame and core on my example are a very good match to yours Robert.........what do you think?

[Adrian]

Reverse....

[Friedrich]

The swasi on this cross looks like one of the K&Q core variants with it's bold appearance, but the numbers prove otherwise.

But the numbers are standard design? Omit the abundance of paint on the obverse (or poor strike)?

Just thinking out loud here..

[Robert P.]

I believe the frame and core on my example are a very good match to yours Robert.........what do you think?

Yes, perhaps. But when I lightened up your obverse the swasi looks a little thinner. What do you think?

[Adrian]

Hello Robert,
True, it does look a little thinner, I measured various parts of the swastika and got an approximate measurement of 2.30. These were taken at the wider base and not the thinner top surface. Do you think the finish on yours may be slightly thicker in application?

[Robert P.]

Hello Robert,
True, it does look a little thinner, I measured various parts of the swastika and got an approximate measurement of 2.30. These were taken at the wider base and not the thinner top surface. Do you think the finish on yours may be slightly thicker in application?

Adrian,

Yes, I think so. My swasi really is 'fat' compared to yours. Perhaps this maker used S&L's cores from time to time also, I don't know. I'd like to have yours in-hand to study it next to mine.

[LuckyLuudje]

This is getting interesting!

Adrian,
Can you find cleus on yours (BTW, a nice ek2) if there has been a humb romoved from that frame?
And can you find a match with one of your S&L's?
(Same to you Robert)

[Adrian]

Hello Luud,
Yes, there is evidence a hump has been removed. You can see it better on the reverse shot and I've attached a pic to point it out. In hand there is a very distinct ridge/raised area on the top edge of the frame.
Robert, I have no problem sending my cross to you for study if you're interested.

[LuckyLuudje]

Hello Luud,
Yes, there is evidence a hump has been removed. You can see it better on the reverse shot and I've attached a pic to point it out. In hand there is a very distinct ridge/raised area on the top edge of the frame.
Robert, I have no problem sending my cross to you for study if you're interested.

It looks like they used a S&L frame, but a version I only knew with a hump. Or with removed hump.
Maybe Douglas will jumpin, he recognizes the S&L frames types from a mile away.
Maybe it is intersting to find out in wich period of the war these crosses have been made.
There are so many variants of these mm125's that I have no idea wich parts they made themself (if they ever made them thierselves).

[Robert P.]

This is getting interesting!

Adrian,
Can you find cleus on yours (BTW, a nice ek2) if there has been a humb romoved from that frame?
And can you find a match with one of your S&L's?
(Same to you Robert)

Of all of my '4'-marked EKII's I have one which has had the hump filed away. The rest have the hump, even a non-magnetic cored example. There's a mixture of 1st and 2nd pattern frames. The 2nd pattern frames match my '125's frame. But none of my S&L's have the same core as my '125'. It's got to be their own product. You just don't see that bold (fat) of swasi on other crosses. It's comparable to a K&Q variant, as shown here...

[LuckyLuudje]

The date does indeed look like the mm65 on the left ?
Only not so fat. The swass on the right is thicker.
My brains are fried, I saw toomany ek's today

[Robert P.]

Here are some of my '65' examples. Look how my 3rd example matches your left cross. And, my 2nd example matches your right cross. I'm especially looking at their '1's.

The 4th cross is the fat variant example.