Spanish Cross

[Leroy]

Here's a stickpin posted by Mark Miller years ago.

[Trance_Eyes]

Thanks for the info Leroy,

Interesting! I just noticed looking through my copy of Niemann that is also shows a S/C with the drooped tails and with the information provided both were made no doubt.

I guess the maker mark of 107 is something I hadn't seen before but I now know.

Thanks for the lesson and your opinion. Hope this helps to answer others speculation?

[andrewb]

Does anyone have a list of makers that appear on "droop tail" spanish crosses?

Regards,
AB.

[Leroy]

I'm unaware that any serious effort has ever been made to create such a list, as these crosses are immediately branded as fake whenever they are seen. The one marked "107" is the first I've personally seen with that mark. The S&L mark of "4" has also been seen, but questions have been raised of why a PKZ number would appear on this type badge (although the "4" was stamped on the pin, so it may have been finished later in the war).

There's an awful lot we don't know (or THINK we know, but really don't) at this point.

[Joey Charles]

Spanish Cross

Hi Leroy Good man,you have an open mind unlike some people who will only except "TEXT BOOK"as being the be all and end all of badge collecting,these people need to get a life and realise there are variants.Regards Joey

[Scott C.]

I'm unaware that any serious effort has ever been made to create such a list, as these crosses are immediately branded as fake whenever they are seen.

Jacques has started a list (I can't find it at the moment), and I believe a few SKs posted in other threads recently have been given the thumbs up.

Edit: Found it over on GMIC. Jacques admits this list may not be complete.
- C.E. Juncker Berlin
- P. Meybauer Berlin
- Godet & Sohn Berlin (I've not yet identified this maker on other Spanish crosses than Diamonds)
- W. Deumer Lüdenscheid
- Steinhauer & Lück Lüdenscheid
- Foerster & Barth Pforzheim
- Otto Schickle Pforzheim
- CF. Zimmermann Pforzheim
- B.H. Mayer Pforzheim

Some miscelaneous:
- Berg & Nolte Lüdenscheid
- Peltz & Lorenz
- F.R Sedlatzeck Berlin (distributor only)

[Leroy]

Hi, Scott,
I must have misunderstood. I thought the question only regarded "droop-tailed eagle" crosses. Jacques is, indeed, doing good work trying to assemble a list of manufacturers for the crosses in general.
Best,
Leroy

[jacques]

Hello,

I checked my files of drop tail eagles crosses. I found several marks, but none, except may be "4" are convincing:
- L/22 , L/13, CEJ, L/21, L12, L/12, BSW, 1, A , 50 , 4 , L/32

I also scrutinized my pictures but either thre are not sharp enough to distinguish drop tail or the sharpest show normal tail. I don't shut the door...
jacques

[jacques]

Petz and Lorenz for sure made spanish crosses (unmarked)

Jacques has started a list (I can't find it at the moment), and I believe a few SKs posted in other threads recently have been given the thumbs up.

Edit: Found it over on GMIC. Jacques admits this list may not be complete.
- C.E. Juncker Berlin
- P. Meybauer Berlin
- Godet & Sohn Berlin (I've not yet identified this maker on other Spanish crosses than Diamonds)
- W. Deumer Lüdenscheid
- Steinhauer & Lück Lüdenscheid
- Foerster & Barth Pforzheim
- Otto Schickle Pforzheim
- CF. Zimmermann Pforzheim
- B.H. Mayer Pforzheim

Some miscelaneous:
- Berg & Nolte Lüdenscheid
- Peltz & Lorenz
- F.R Sedlatzeck Berlin (distributor only)

[Scott C.]

Hi, Scott,
I thought the question only regarded "droop-tailed eagle" crosses.

Oops. I think you're right Leroy - my misunderstanding.

[andrewb]

Hi Leroy Good man,you have an open mind unlike some people who will only except "TEXT BOOK"as being the be all and end all of badge collecting,these people need to get a life and realise there are variants.Regards Joey

After all these years and of all the photos taken of LW personnel wearing the SC not one has surfaced showing the droop tail. I'm not talking about the breast eagle or cases or documents. Something "text book" is so because it can be posstively indentifed during wartime. As yet the "droop tail" SC cannot.
Open mind? yes I have. Possibility of a droop tail being wartime? perhaps, but that alone is not enough to make me say " yes". It's either extremely rare or post war made. Given the above I lean, at this stage, to the latter.

I have a life and it's just fine thanks.

Regards,
AB.

[Leroy]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:



" Like everyone else, though, I realize that it will take a photo of one in wear to really convince the collecting community. "


I have confidence in Jacques to find one if one one can be found.

[andrewb]

Leroy,

Here is an interesting document showing a droop tail eagle. Also, I've never seen an eagle like this before where the wings are not level. Dated May 1942.

Regards,
AB.

[Sal Williams]

Thanks for the info Leroy,

Interesting! I just noticed looking through my copy of Niemann that is also shows a S/C with the drooped tails and with the information provided both were made no doubt.

I guess the maker mark of 107 is something I hadn't seen before but I now know.

Thanks for the lesson and your opinion. Hope this helps to answer others speculation?

You are misunderstanding what is being said. There is very much doubt that a droop tail SC was ever made. Don't use the Niemann book except as a price guide as it was intended.

[Joey Charles]

droop tail

Hi Sal have you any proof that they didnt exist.Joey