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    #16
    Thanks Kevin, I take thats collector to collector prices? And has anybody noticed that many Juncker RK.s are being sold with the non Juncker loops?

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      #17
      Originally posted by rkhunter View Post
      Thanks Kevin, I take thats collector to collector prices? And has anybody noticed that many Juncker RK.s are being sold with the non Juncker loops?
      Yes!
      Loops are easily changed and IMO it reflects on the value of the cross!

      Best regards

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        #18
        Provenance and groupings are a whole different realm.
        Iam Uncle Sam
        That’s who Iam
        Been hiding out
        In a rock and roll band

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          #19
          Originally posted by Kevin V. View Post
          Yes!
          Loops are easily changed and IMO it reflects on the value of the cross!

          Best regards
          How much in your opinion Kevin does this affect the price? And I agree with you fully on that Dion!

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            #20
            Originally posted by münster View Post
            Provenance and groupings are a whole different realm.
            Sure but medals are easily added or switched in groupings also!

            Best regards

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              #21
              Originally posted by rkhunter View Post
              How much in your opinion Kevin does this affect the price? And I agree with you fully on that Dion!
              I just bought a spare Juncker "800" loop this week for the L/12 kC and paid 700 euro for it!
              BTW Special thanks to the seller!


              Best regards

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                #22
                Rk

                Originally posted by Kevin V. View Post
                What do you mean?
                Kevin,
                I am a fan of maker-marked iron crosses and knights crosses, thats all.

                I lived several years in Idar-Oberstein, where Klein & Quenzer produced the KCs, so I am a fan of "65".

                My statement, that I would not buy an unmarked or "only" 800-marked KC does not have anything to do with the question of originality.

                I also would never buy an KC with an unmagnetic core. In my opinion, the Knights Cross of the Iron cross has to be made of iron...

                Best,
                Walter.

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                  #23
                  Quite a difference then! Where can you pick up boxed L/12 Juncker's for 10k Euro?

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by walter1010de View Post
                    Kevin,
                    I am a fan of maker-marked iron crosses and knights crosses, thats all.

                    I lived several years in Idar-Oberstein, where Klein & Quenzer produced the KCs, so I am a fan of "65".

                    My statement, that I would not buy an unmarked or "only" 800-marked KC does not have anything to do with the question of originality.

                    I also would never buy an KC with an unmagnetic core. In my opinion, the Knights Cross of the Iron cross has to be made of iron...

                    Best,
                    Walter.
                    Thanks Walter for the explanation!
                    But as you probably know the first Juncker KC' s awarded were unmarked with a non magnetic core (zinc)!

                    Best regards
                    Kevin

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by rkhunter View Post
                      Quite a difference then! Where can you pick up boxed L/12 Juncker's for 10k Euro?
                      I am also looking forward to the answer...

                      10.000 € is a lot of money, but for a cased L/12...

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by rkhunter View Post
                        Quite a difference then! Where can you pick up boxed L/12 Juncker's for 10k Euro?
                        If you can buy an L/12 for 7500 euro and you add a case + full lenght ribbon for 2500 euro it makes 10000 euro!


                        Best regards

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                          #27
                          Hi Kevin, the only ones that I have seen to date are on Weitzes site, and he is asking around 10k Euro for one without a box?? Where can you find them for 7,500 Euro?

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                            #28
                            Rk

                            Originally posted by Kevin V. View Post
                            Thanks Walter for the explanation!
                            But as you probably know the first Juncker KC' s awarded were unmarked with a non magnetic core (zinc)!

                            Best regards
                            Kevin
                            Kevin,

                            if You like to have one of the very first KCs, You can buy the KC of Generalfeldmarschall von Brauchitsch at Helmut Weitzes shop in Hamburg.
                            Price on request

                            Best regards,
                            Walter.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by rkhunter View Post
                              Hi Kevin, the only ones that I have seen to date are on Weitzes site, and he is asking around 10k Euro for one without a box?? Where can you find them for 7,500 Euro?

                              Sir, I don't know you but I can share you I collect KC's myself! Weitze is indeed a dealer and the reason his prices are higher is because he has staff to pay, taxes etc.
                              He is not the only seller of KC's? The are other dealers and many KC's are sold between collectors themselves.
                              DN has sometimes very nice KC's for sale at very reasonable prices!
                              An L/12 without case for 7500 is not that difficult but if you only look at dealers I understand!

                              Best regards
                              Kevin

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Kevin V. View Post
                                Sure but medals are easily added or switched in groupings also!

                                Best regards
                                depends, and what you mention does effect groupings. moreso what i meant is some people would rather have an aces kc moreso then a field marshall who never seen action in ww2, its a very fickle market form the brief experience i have had. some collectors want one that has been worn from the battlefield and some a minty un issued. i love them as a collector, but as a seller i have no joy with them.
                                Iam Uncle Sam
                                That’s who Iam
                                Been hiding out
                                In a rock and roll band

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