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    #16
    Originally posted by Roglebk View Post
    Thought it was until i saw Fabris cross, his looks to have different paint though?
    I think paint used for my cross is the same used for the early type, I add a pic to compare, tomorrow I try to see them with the day light.
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      #17
      Thank you very much for your replies.
      I remember now, in that day I have used a yellow base to take pictures , for this reason coulors are not natural in the bottom !!
      I must to take pic with another base, white of course.

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        #18
        Originally posted by streptile View Post
        Hi Robert.

        There are known (or believed) to be 2 makers of the EK1 Round-3. Deschler is one. The other is unknown. There are 3 different pins to be found on the known Deschlers, so one could say there are 4 EK1 R-3 variants all together (3 Deschlers, 1 unknown).

        Deschler also made a Round-3 "heavy" version EK2. There are as many as 3 more makers of the R-3 EK2, but possibly as few as one more. There is a lot of speculation, but few hard facts.

        What is known is that 4 accepted variants of the R-3 EK2 exist. Three are so-called "heavy" versions, 1 is light.

        Some even believe that Deschler made all known variants of the R-3 EK1, but I'm not among them.

        Someone will hopefully correct me if I've got any of this wrong.
        Can only comment the EKII's and the versions iv'e heard of are:

        'Thick' 22.90 g
        Thicker than the others. Somewhere between 5.05-5.40 mm. Pointy inner corners. Ones i saw had 2 slightly different cores and 2 types of paint.

        'Thin' 19.85 g
        With beveled edges and pointy inner corners. Thickness around 4.5mm. Think i saw one of these with stippled core but not sure.

        'Swaz on plateau' 17.90 g
        Some got stippled core, can be found without too. There is a definite connection between the thin and this one, doing a study on the R3 EKII's but it's going kinda slow.

        'Deschler framed' 23.65 g
        Up to now only knew about one version of these but Fabris seems to have a different core than Roberts/my old one?
        Last edited by Roglebk; 08-11-2009, 06:07 PM.

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          #19
          Originally posted by robert pierce View Post
          Carl, is the core of 'your' Deschler magnetic? It looks to be made of a lighter colored metal like zinc.
          It's magnetic, got a very strong pull. Pretty sure it's plated though but you be the judge of that when it arrives. Plating would explain the often found paint chips i guess.

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            #20
            Originally posted by fabri-online View Post
            I think paint used for my cross is the same used for the early type, I add a pic to compare, tomorrow I try to see them with the day light.
            Nice comparising pic between a Deschler and a 'Thick' version. Here the size difference clearly can be seen, Deschler is a couple of mm's bigger. Both seems to have the same matte paint, similar to the one found on Klein & Quenzer crosses and on the cross that started this thread. Think i was wrong before, the cores on the Deschler seen in this thread are the same imo.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Roglebk View Post
              Can only comment the EKII's and the versions iv'e heard of are:
              'Thick' 22.90 g
              Thicker than the others. Somewhere between 5.05-5.40 mm. Pointy inner corners. Ones i saw had 2 slightly different cores and 2 types of paint.
              'Thin' 19.85 g
              With beveled edges and pointy inner corners. Thickness around 4.5mm. Think i saw one of these with stippled core but not sure.
              'Swaz on plateau' 17.90 g
              Some got stippled core, can be found without too. There is a definite connection between the thin and this one, doing a study on the R3 EKII's but it's going kinda slow.
              'Deschler framed' 23.65 g
              Up to now only knew about one version of these but Fabris seems to have a different core than Roberts/my old one?
              Thanks, Carl. I was under the impression that the Deschler and the variant with the swastika on a plinth were also considered "heavy." Judging by the weights posted, it seems I am wrong at least on one.

              Of course there is also the Schinkelform 'B', which has a rounded '3'.

              I also forgot to mention that there is another R-3 EK1 which has a core made from (or plated with) some very shiny silver-like metal (underneath the paint). I think only 2 of these are known (well, to me), and both are in the same collection.

              So it seems we've got, as basic variants:

              R-3 EK2:


              R-3 EK1:
              Best regards,
              Streptile

              Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                #22
                Hi guys
                you have written infos very interesting !
                Today I have seen my crosses and I can say these cores are identical, as Carl has in his Deschler R3, same production, paint is the same for both and I think the same used for Carls Deschler. So the one difference is frame.
                Here new pic to show frame better, with natural light. What do you think now ? Is really the same you have Carl or is different ?

                About my other EKII showed in that thread started by Robert: I can say with certainty that core is different, in my opinion beautiful with these dates and swaz with high definition. I 'll share it soon.
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by fabri-online View Post
                  So the one difference is frame.
                  Here new pic to show frame better, with natural light. What do you think now ? Is really the same you have Carl or is different ?
                  Hi Fabri, it looks the same but will have a closer look tonight.

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                    #24
                    Thank you all - Carl, Trevor, and Fabri, for this excellent help in getting me started in the round 3's. Those links were very helpful. Photos too. I really appreciate the helping hand. I've started the collection with a Deschler offering from Carl, and this beveled edge 'light' from one of my favorite sites...
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                      #25
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                        #26
                        A great start!

                        For some reason I like these beveled-edge thin versions the best of all of the R-3 EK2s, although I have yet to own a Deschler so perhaps I don't understand its mystique.

                        There's just something about R-3s that I find fascinating and beautiful, and I love to collect them. I hope you'll feel the same, Robert.

                        Thanks for showing this one.
                        Best regards,
                        Streptile

                        Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                          #27
                          Thanks Trevor,

                          I'll get some clean sharp photos of it when it arrives. I think Carl already did a wonderful job photographing his Deschler. Please don't mention EKI's until I have all of the EKII round 3's.

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                            #28
                            Very nice Robert Excellent start to your "round 3" collection.

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                              #29
                              Thank you Joe,

                              I've got a lot to learn regarding these new crosses. And, I feel very fortunate to have so much help going into it.

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                                #30
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                                Robert,

                                I would suggest once you get the majority of EKII round 3s you start on EKI as the hardest EKII is the Schinkel-B which took me a long time to find. Jim

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