1939 EKII Deschler Round 3

[fabri-online]

Thought it was until i saw Fabris cross, his looks to have different paint though?

I think paint used for my cross is the same used for the early type, I add a pic to compare, tomorrow I try to see them with the day light.

[fabri-online]

Thank you very much for your replies.
I remember now, in that day I have used a yellow base to take pictures , for this reason coulors are not natural in the bottom !!
I must to take pic with another base, white of course.

[Roglebk]

Hi Robert.

There are known (or believed) to be 2 makers of the EK1 Round-3. Deschler is one. The other is unknown. There are 3 different pins to be found on the known Deschlers, so one could say there are 4 EK1 R-3 variants all together (3 Deschlers, 1 unknown).

Deschler also made a Round-3 "heavy" version EK2. There are as many as 3 more makers of the R-3 EK2, but possibly as few as one more. There is a lot of speculation, but few hard facts.

What is known is that 4 accepted variants of the R-3 EK2 exist. Three are so-called "heavy" versions, 1 is light.

Some even believe that Deschler made all known variants of the R-3 EK1, but I'm not among them.

Someone will hopefully correct me if I've got any of this wrong.

Can only comment the EKII's and the versions iv'e heard of are:

'Thick' 22.90 g
Thicker than the others. Somewhere between 5.05-5.40 mm. Pointy inner corners. Ones i saw had 2 slightly different cores and 2 types of paint.

'Thin' 19.85 g
With beveled edges and pointy inner corners. Thickness around 4.5mm. Think i saw one of these with stippled core but not sure.

'Swaz on plateau' 17.90 g
Some got stippled core, can be found without too. There is a definite connection between the thin and this one, doing a study on the R3 EKII's but it's going kinda slow.

'Deschler framed' 23.65 g
Up to now only knew about one version of these but Fabris seems to have a different core than Roberts/my old one?

[Roglebk]

Carl, is the core of 'your' Deschler magnetic? It looks to be made of a lighter colored metal like zinc.

It's magnetic, got a very strong pull. Pretty sure it's plated though but you be the judge of that when it arrives. Plating would explain the often found paint chips i guess.

[Roglebk]

I think paint used for my cross is the same used for the early type, I add a pic to compare, tomorrow I try to see them with the day light.

Nice comparising pic between a Deschler and a 'Thick' version. Here the size difference clearly can be seen, Deschler is a couple of mm's bigger. Both seems to have the same matte paint, similar to the one found on Klein & Quenzer crosses and on the cross that started this thread. Think i was wrong before, the cores on the Deschler seen in this thread are the same imo.

[streptile]

Can only comment the EKII's and the versions iv'e heard of are:
'Thick' 22.90 g
Thicker than the others. Somewhere between 5.05-5.40 mm. Pointy inner corners. Ones i saw had 2 slightly different cores and 2 types of paint.
'Thin' 19.85 g
With beveled edges and pointy inner corners. Thickness around 4.5mm. Think i saw one of these with stippled core but not sure.
'Swaz on plateau' 17.90 g
Some got stippled core, can be found without too. There is a definite connection between the thin and this one, doing a study on the R3 EKII's but it's going kinda slow.
'Deschler framed' 23.65 g
Up to now only knew about one version of these but Fabris seems to have a different core than Roberts/my old one?

Thanks, Carl. I was under the impression that the Deschler and the variant with the swastika on a plinth were also considered "heavy." Judging by the weights posted, it seems I am wrong at least on one.

Of course there is also the Schinkelform 'B', which has a rounded '3'.

I also forgot to mention that there is another R-3 EK1 which has a core made from (or plated with) some very shiny silver-like metal (underneath the paint). I think only 2 of these are known (well, to me), and both are in the same collection.

So it seems we've got, as basic variants:

R-3 EK2:

• Deschler (this thread)
• Beveled edge light (unknown maker)
• Swastika on plinth (unknown maker)
• Heavy (unknown maker)
• Schinkelform 'B' (unknown maker)

R-3 EK1:

• Deschler pin 1
• Deschler pin 2
• Deschler pin 3
• Early pin with sheet-metal hinge (unknown maker)
• Silvered core (unknown maker)

[fabri-online]

Hi guys
you have written infos very interesting !
Today I have seen my crosses and I can say these cores are identical, as Carl has in his Deschler R3, same production, paint is the same for both and I think the same used for Carls Deschler. So the one difference is frame.
Here new pic to show frame better, with natural light. What do you think now ? Is really the same you have Carl or is different ?

About my other EKII showed in that thread started by Robert: I can say with certainty that core is different, in my opinion beautiful with these dates and swaz with high definition. I 'll share it soon.

[Roglebk]

So the one difference is frame.
Here new pic to show frame better, with natural light. What do you think now ? Is really the same you have Carl or is different ?

Hi Fabri, it looks the same but will have a closer look tonight.

[Robert P.]

Thank you all - Carl, Trevor, and Fabri, for this excellent help in getting me started in the round 3's. Those links were very helpful. Photos too. I really appreciate the helping hand. I've started the collection with a Deschler offering from Carl, and this beveled edge 'light' from one of my favorite sites...

[Robert P.]

reverse...

[streptile]

A great start!

For some reason I like these beveled-edge thin versions the best of all of the R-3 EK2s, although I have yet to own a Deschler so perhaps I don't understand its mystique.

There's just something about R-3s that I find fascinating and beautiful, and I love to collect them. I hope you'll feel the same, Robert.

Thanks for showing this one.

[Robert P.]

Thanks Trevor,

I'll get some clean sharp photos of it when it arrives. I think Carl already did a wonderful job photographing his Deschler. Please don't mention EKI's until I have all of the EKII round 3's.

[Joe D]

Very nice Robert Excellent start to your "round 3" collection.

[Robert P.]

Thank you Joe,

I've got a lot to learn regarding these new crosses. And, I feel very fortunate to have so much help going into it.

[CMSgt]

R3

Robert,

I would suggest once you get the majority of EKII round 3s you start on EKI as the hardest EKII is the Schinkel-B which took me a long time to find. Jim