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    #31
    Hey Craig,

    As one poor, ignorant "bloke" to another, lets go have a beer, or "pint", and discuss the advantages of a nice Juncker!

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      #32
      Spot on, Dave!!

      M

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        #33
        Hi Dave,

        Yes, but Flock Eks are nice on first inspection. However, for anyone who has owned enough originals they are totally alien. Not so with the RKs!

        Bob
        www.collectortocollectormilitaria.com

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          #34
          Hi Gary.

          I find your reasoning most interesting. I'm surprised I haven't seen it before.
          You have a good point, considering how we relate to WW1 EK:s.
          The 1914-18 EK:s were produced in a flat appearence and void of any
          coke-bottle pins. The Deutsches Reich ceased to exist and for many more
          years the EK 1 was produced by the SAME makers. They even started to
          differ i.g. broad pin and vaulted crosses. One would guess these would be
          less valued the pre-1918, but no, they fetch higher prices than the
          early ones. Strange world, ain't it

          KR
          Peter

          Originally posted by mott5ranch
          OK, Dietrich, taking your words in pieces. Some will say out of context. I'll grant you that S&L "MAY" have made an RK illegally, according to the new German law, to honor an old vets' request for a replacement of his original that was lost, stolen. For what ever reason, the RK was gone. Let's assume this may have happened. Since we will never know if an RK is a pre-45, or an after the end of the war piece secretly obtained by a vet who had earned it, it must be of less value. Is that it? It must be worthless? Are you guys serious? What the hell are you thinking?

          The possibility that we may have discovered a secret source of replacement RK's for original RK winners made by the same craftsman on the same dies makes this RK worthless? Do you guys have ANY idea how impossible it was to find the correct materials to do this, especially AFTER the war? Expenses and scrafices had to be made if this is true. Regardless, these pieces must be less in value, right? I think otherwise! Here we have an RK winner who wanted a replacement, but not ANY replacement, he wants a REAL one. Well, these RK winners got one. .. . . .quietly, confidentially, and honorably. Guess what. . . . .no one, including us, can figure out which is which! Now we can talk about German craftmanship. 60 years after the war, we just don't know because we cannot ell the difference. This is an impressive story of how people took care of their heros after defeat.
          If this is the case (which is all speculation) I am now more convinced that these mystery S & L RK's have quite alot of value. The underground connections to get one must be very impressive. Let the price drop! I have my eye on one already. Can you say when it was made? Does the RK winner that had it, wore it, obtained it, and left it behind upon his passing make it . . . . worthless, questionable, or . . . . . .of value? According to some of you guys....it depends upon when it was made . . . .and we will never know, thanks to the Germans that made them. So with that, lets just call them ALL . . . . . . LESSER in value. Right?
          Here in my neck of the wood I'll call that reasoning BS. Now is the time to get one before the price jumps back to normal.

          This is just my opinion and I still want one.

          Gary

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            #35
            Would these statistics be any different now after the very sane and polite discussion that has just followed in Dietrich's thread?

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              #36
              Let's find out. http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=63216
              George

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                #37
                Gosh, there were many years when if a guy wanted to get a 'replacement' 'additional' or several crosses he might sell at a (profit) along with a story or signed photograph they were available..

                These fellas sold 'signatures' like Walmart sells....hell I don't know...I've never been to one....



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                OK, Dietrich, taking your words in pieces. Some will say out of context. I'll grant you that S&L "MAY" have made an RK illegally, according to the new German law, to honor an old vets' request for a replacement of his original that was lost, stolen. For what ever reason, the RK was gone. Let's assume this may have happened. Since we will never know if an RK is a pre-45, or an after the end of the war piece secretly obtained by a vet who had earned it, it must be of less value. Is that it? It must be worthless? Are you guys serious? What the hell are you thinking?

                The possibility that we may have discovered a secret source of replacement RK's for original RK winners made by the same craftsman on the same dies makes this RK worthless? Do you guys have ANY idea how impossible it was to find the correct materials to do this, especially AFTER the war? Expenses and scrafices had to be made if this is true. Regardless, these pieces must be less in value, right? I think otherwise! Here we have an RK winner who wanted a replacement, but not ANY replacement, he wants a REAL one. Well, these RK winners got one. .. . . .quietly, confidentially, and honorably. Guess what. . . . .no one, including us, can figure out which is which! Now we can talk about German craftmanship. 60 years after the war, we just don't know because we cannot ell the difference. This is an impressive story of how people took care of their heros after defeat.
                If this is the case (which is all speculation) I am now more convinced that these mystery S & L RK's have quite alot of value. The underground connections to get one must be very impressive. Let the price drop! I have my eye on one already. Can you say when it was made? Does the RK winner that had it, wore it, obtained it, and left it behind upon his passing make it . . . . worthless, questionable, or . . . . . .of value? According to some of you guys....it depends upon when it was made . . . .and we will never know, thanks to the Germans that made them. So with that, lets just call them ALL . . . . . . LESSER in value. Right?
                Here in my neck of the wood I'll call that reasoning BS. Now is the time to get one before the price jumps back to normal.

                This is just my opinion and I still want one.

                Gary

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                Anyway, not everything is based in honor....

                Dave
                Last edited by Dave Kane; 08-19-2004, 08:59 PM.
                Regards,
                Dave

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                  #38
                  Sorry, Peter and Brian I haven't a clue why that's there!!


                  Dave
                  Regards,
                  Dave

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                    #39
                    Dave, what the Hell are you doing, man?!!
                    George

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                      #40
                      Darn, I don't know...I merely attempted to 'Q' Gary and got a bloody history!!!


                      Dave
                      Regards,
                      Dave

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Dave Kane
                        Sorry, Peter and Brian I haven't a clue why that's there!!


                        Dave
                        You're freaking me out man. I thought something was wrong with Explorer.

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                          #42
                          Dave, I'm off the Forum for one day, and this is what I find. And I thought
                          I was senile

                          Brian, if you find my posting daft and inpolite, I'm sorry. That was never
                          intended. I merely put words to a reflection of mine, no big deal. After
                          following your posts for over a year, I realize you're too much of a challange
                          for me. But if I ever get over to California, I'll gladly spend an afternoon with
                          you over a couple of drinks, discussing these matters

                          KR
                          Peter

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                            #43
                            If i can afford to buy one it would be a unflawed cross. Looks better i guess. Flaws or not. There are other things to look for in a cross from S&L.

                            Cheers.
                            Peter Wiking
                            Last edited by Peter Wiking; 06-09-2005, 05:36 PM. Reason: Correction

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                              #44
                              This poll seems to be a little outdated and maybe even misleading.

                              One can by an unflawed (other then the dent row) S&L B-Type (935 for instance) and have a post war model or one can buy a heavily flawed A-Type which is for sure pre 45.

                              I think in the light of the latest discussions the choices are no longer correct. It is proven beyond doubt that flawed A-Types are good pre-45 crosses.
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                                #45
                                True enough. Dietrich's research and article (http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/iron...cross/flaw.php) have rendered this poll obsolete. Therefore, I am closing it.
                                George

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