Anyone familiar with this KC?? Maybe Dietrich Maerz?
Its stamped 800 and 935 in the loop.
Martin
Its stamped 800 and 935 in the loop.
Martin
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Hello
I've not seen one quite like this. To me it resembles either the infamous 'Rounder' RK or a Souval creation, both of which are post war manufactured. On reflection, I think this a 'Rounder' RK, but I'm no expert on these. Either way I don't feel this to be a wartime RK from any of the official makers.
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martin, this is a beat-to-death rounder KC....
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it has rounded corners. Most probably its the "KC" which Nimmergut described and attributed to Othmar Hermes, and came according Nimmergut from the Rastatt museum. Look at this tread.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=hermes
This specific cross is linked to Hermes and matches the above confirmation of Nimmergut. Its offered by a german auctioneer which states that "This piece came directly from the hands of Othmar Hermes". No prove, but good to know though...
He also states (and knows!) that Hermes is still alive (and that is correct as I spoke to Hermes today). He also know that the other award docs previously are sold in another way. And thats correct as Harry has them.
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I believe Harry owns Hermes' Knight's Cross.
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The case and dedication looks very familiar!!Regards,
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Martin,
if you take a look at the cross in the other thread, you can see thse crosses are completely different.
The cross from the auctionhouse is not an original and has been discussed, SEM tested and more.
Nimmergut comapres this cross the the one taht he believes was awarded to Otmar Hermes, nothing more nothing less.
If you do a search for "rounder" you will find several threads on this type of cross.
It's the same style as you have shown 2 or 3 times already in previous threads from other auctions.
If, after reading these threads, you still believe this one is authentic, then go for it.
Should you miss it, then you can have mine, or Dietrich's , at a modest price
Regards,
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Martin,
the cross & award docs were sold by Detlev some time ago to a fellow WAF member. The cross that was sold by Detlev is a S&L cased.
The cross that you have shown a few posts before is a rounder, no doubt about that. Looks to me like a story no more no less.
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I dont need a rounder, thanks for your kind offer! And I know its a different cross than the S&L from Harry.
I just wanted to show this cross as it is the one no one saw before (look at the tread)...And its the cross Nimmergut is referring to ! Dont know if this cross was at the Rastatt museum: we need pictures for that.
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I will check with a former director of the museum in Rastatt. It could very well be it's there. Which means it was a "switch".
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Hello
In all the editions of Vernon Bowens book, 'The Prussian and German Iron Cross', he shows a photo of a Knights Cross of the Iron Cross taken in a showcase at WGM, Rastatt. He states in the caption that it is the RK of Otmar Hermes, and is on loan to the museum. I have attached the picture below, which is taken from the 1st edition of Bowens book, (1986, Iron Cross Research Publications). In my opinion, the RK shown in Bowens book is not the same as the RK shown by Martin in this thread. Whilst not the best image, the cross in Bowens book appears, for example, to have lower placed, thicker and better defined date numerals, and although the ribbon loop looks similar in shape, e.g. the gap at the top, it doesn't appear, from what I can make out, to have a silver stamp on the front right as in the one posted by Martin. The swastika appears to slighter thicker armed as well.
So more than one person claims that an RK reputedly on loan from Hermes was in a showcase in the Rastatt.
Regards
DavidLast edited by DavidM; 03-20-2008, 11:20 AM.Comment
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good picture David
I am convinced by the loop, not 100% by the characteristics of the cross as they are hardly to be seen (by the poor quality of the pic)...
But the wide spread loop is almost the same....
And when I look good, i can see the position of the swaz is looks identical...
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HelloOriginally posted by mdj View Postgood picture David
I am convinced by the loop, not 100% by the characteristics of the cross as they are hardly to be seen (by the poor quality of the pic)...
But the wide spread loop is almost the same....
And when I look good, i can see the position of the swaz is looks identical...
Martin
Even in this photo it can clearly be seen that the date numerals are better defined and closer towards the inner edge of the lower beading. The swastika can also be seen to be touching the beaded rims in the lower left and right, which they don't on the one that you posted. Admittedly I have the luxury of being able to look at a larger version of the photo I posted, but I can assure you that the cross in Bowens book, attributed Hermes, and on (or at least was) display at the Rastatt, and yours are not the same. Also, the one in Bowens photo appears to be quite heavily frosted whereas the one you posted shows no traces of frosting.
Regards
DavidLast edited by DavidM; 03-20-2008, 03:11 PM.Comment
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I'm with David on this one. The one pictured in Bowen's book is not the same one shown earlier here.
Regards,
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Hello
I've been having a really good look at the RK Martin posted, the one shown by Harry, attributed to Hermes, in this thread:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=hermes
and the one photo'd in Bowens book. Only my opinion of course, but the one in Bowens book is not the one shown by Martin, but is an extremely close, if not exact, match to Harrys Hermes attributed, heavily frosted S&L one.
As I say, just my opinion.
Regards
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