What is this badge , please ?

[TYZ341]

Hello from FRANCE.
I bought yesterday 3 badges ( wounded silver L53 , Sport ) and a badge with 1939 on the front of it but no marks rear of it . Can you please tell me what is this badge .
Thank you at all for answer.
Best regards.
TYZ341 ( Jacques )

[Don D.]

I'll move this to the crosses forum where you will receive your answer.

[TYZ341]

Thank you Don , sorry for mistake
Jacques

[wh014d4394]

its a iron cross spange.

[Montgomery Burns]

wel a,,,,,,,,,,, ek1 wiederholungs spange.

they get one if the soldier had resived a iron cross first class in the ww1914

and the second thime in ww2

best regards kay

[Montgomery Burns]

and aim not schure its a original,,,,,,,,,,,

but aim not a expert on these.......

hopefully some more expiriantst collektors reakt on this thread.

best regards kay

[Don D.]

You can try doing a search for Raptor or BH Mayer and see if you have a match.

[tinmantis]

looks like a good L/15 spange to me
regards
jon

[Robert P.]

The upper left is an L/15 Otto Schickle. The top right and lower right are Raptor fakes...

Look at the top of the 1's in the date boxes, the long skinny left talon, the sharp corners of the wings next to the eagle's head...

Robert

[Robert P.]

Otto Schickle on top right, Raptor on bottom...

Once again, the sharp inside corners of the wings next to the head, and the head outline...Catch on the Schickle is different...

Robert

[tinmantis]

I stand corrected, I think you're right Robert
dontcha just hate L/15s and Raptors...
regards
jon

[Robert P.]

I stand corrected, I think you're right Robert
dontcha just hate L/15s and Raptors...
regards
jon

Yes, jon, it's amazing the similarities between the two. I'm starting to pay closer attention to the catches on the Schickles, something the Raptors have missed. I've also found two different Raptor fakes on the market. The difference between the two is found in the '1' of 1939. Here's a montage showing the difference between a Raptor and a Schickle. But, also look at the '1' in the Raptor fake above, where it's in being held in-hand. The '1' is different on both Raptors. I'll make one more montage to illustrate better.

Robert

[Robert P.]

Here are the two Raptors...

Robert

[tinmantis]

urgh, everytime I start looking at Schickle's my head hurts, and everything I've learned about them falls apart
great comparisons though
I try to compare wing veins, as somhow I can't get my head round the numeral differences. but for wing vein comparisons you need very good close up pics.
Schickle is also one of the spangen I havn't owned

I wish I'd grabbed that screwback from Weitze, but I just didn't trust the engraving
and of course, I'm waiting to get one dirt cheap from a dealer who thinks they're selling me a Raptor
regards
jon

[tinmantis]

errr, when I can tell the difference at a glance, at a show that is...