Gablonzer Press EK Manufacturing

[Montgomery Burns]

that ek mm21 was part off a old horde ,,,,,

some off the ek's had some strange damage

as you can see in the next picture

it looks like something went wrong due the manufacturing .

[Montgomery Burns]

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[Robert P.]

Very good. I've looked at my Godet EKII, and the shear markes are evident. I see no evidence of visible solder between the joints. Also, maker 22 looks exactly like your 21 a few posts above. This is very interesting. I'll have to take a look at my 55's next.

[Robert P.]

Inspecting my 55 EKII's I find the same clean shear markes, no diagonal filing. But, in one section a joint looks like there has been solder applied between the joints. Let me understand this, and others point me in the right direction if I am mistaken on this, please. The Gablonzer press method utilized solder between the joints (or no?), and a outside trimming shear cut the cross into a finished condition. Am I gaining ground?

[Montgomery Burns]

honestly,,,,, I do not know

these pictures you see are the thing I found .

after asking around ,,,the gablonzer expression (explanation ) came up ,,,

but in general the idea is not to use no soldering ...just as far as I know about it

and that is not much ,,beside these photo's

[Norm F]

Those sheer marks in posts #10 and #15 are really interesting. It's clear that that each individiual sheer mark extends across both frame halves in an uninterrupted line, so clearly some type of stamping process that was done to both halves simultaneously after they were assembled. Or could that appearance result from polishing the edges on a grinding wheel? --- seems unlikely since the direction would have had to be kept precisely perpendicular to the surface at all times to make such perfect parallel sheer marks.

I can visualize how the usual striking method for frames would cause sheer marks on each frame half that wouldn't line up after assembly, but I can't visualize the process that causes these perfectly parallel marks crossing the midline as on Kay's posting?
Nor can I yet see how this all fits in with Sebastian's description of the Gablonzer Press method. I'm hoping for an epiphany.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Montgomery Burns]

after I did get the first mm 55, 21 in my hand ,,first thing I noticed are the differences here shown in the soldering .

I do look at my crosses very precise

somehow aim amazed this was not seen or discussed earlier .

[Douglas 5]

Interesting this happen to get bumped back up . Since the question I put in I have since gotten most of the answers to the Gablonzer Process , to which I now have done a project presentation . It will be posted soon .

Douglas

[Norm F]

Interesting this happen to get bumped back up . Since the question I put in I have since gotten most of the answers to the Gablonzer Process , to which I now have done a project presentation . It will be posted soon .

Douglas

Great Doug, I look forward to it. I've found your thread in GCA which gives a bit of a sneak preview, and slogged through the translation of that excerpt from Geissler, but it still leaves some questions in my mind.
I'll wait for your presentation before asking them, except one little obvious question: if this method was an invention of a small group of Gablonz makers should we be surprised to see Berlin makers using this method? Would Berlin makers have retooled to use this method or subcontracted the Gablonz group and then added their maker's marks?
Best regards,
---Norm

[Douglas 5]

There are a lot of guessing to this Gablonz process . The report I used is the one put out by Willy Torman : Chairman of the LDO.
Just to clarify some questions : The Gablozer Co-op Group designed a faster and material saving method - sacrificing quality and durability . This method ended quickly after the short commings became aparent after a few months . I did get some imput about this from my source -the profesor and his dad . Juncker tried it and a hand full of others .
1) No retooling - some companies with 2nd dies sent them to the Gablonzer Group . There batches of crosses were made for each company as requested using the indeviual companies dies .
2) A softer - cheaper - but poor quality solder - a solder savings of 40% - was used , applied to one frame half only ! Pressure melted the solder .... very thin line . Edges hand filed first and or if there was not much touch needed ! -- and then to save time - if all arms needed 'repair' then re-cut with the trimmer .

Douglas

[dc9]

Douglas,

Looking forward to that report too. Thank you.

Here is a related link to one I posted: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=329922&page=2

Eric

[Arzt05]

Friends, who can give to me the sizes (height, width, a thickness), weight and a material (magnetic or not) cross Paulman and Crone? Very much it is necessary. In advance thanks.

[Robert P.]

Friends, who can give to me the sizes (height, width, a thickness), weight and a material (magnetic or not) cross Paulman and Crone? Very much it is necessary. In advance thanks.

Height: 44.0mm
Width: 43.8mm
Thickness: 4.16mm

Weight: 16.5 grams

Magnetic

[Arzt05]

Robert Pierce, very-very thanks !!!

[Norm F]

Just bumping this thread up to ask: Is Douglas' project presentation on the Gablonzer method coming out here or anywhere soon?

Best regards,
---Norm