Gablonzer Press EK Manufacturing

[Douglas 5]

Looking for info on the 1943 Gablonzer Press EK manufacturing .
WMA fact sheet does not have much about it .
Do we know which companies may have tried or used this material saving method ? How can one identify such pieces visually ? Looking for pictures of crosses made that way .

Thanks Douglas

[Norm F]

Thought I'd bump this thread to the top and echo the questions.
Best regards,
---Norm

[Robert P.]

Douglas,

I believe Paulmann & Crone used this method of fusing the frame halves. I have (3) P & C's, and (2) have separation of seams from poor fusion. Under magnification one can see no hint of solder present between the frame halves.

Edit: Here is an open seam. All one can see in the separation is the iron core, NO solder.

[Robert P.]

And, here is a tight seam on a Paulmann & Crone. I'm assuming what we're seeing here is the fused joint, as there is no solder visible...

[Montgomery Burns]

godet ek 2 where gablonzer

mm55 ek2 has it to

[Montgomery Burns]

And, here is a tight seam on a Paulmann & Crone. I'm assuming what we're seeing here is the fused joint, as there is no solder visible...

his is not gablonzer

,,normaly soldered this is ,,,

[Robert P.]

his is not gablonzer

,,normaly soldered this is ,,,

Are you saying there are sections of the P & C cross which received no solder, leaving an open seam?

[Norm F]

I believe Paulmann & Crone used this method of fusing the frame halves.

Very interesting.

To quote Sebatian Bianchi's article on WA:
"2) "Gablonzer Press" Method; In late 1942 a similar but more efficient method, known as the "Gablonzer Press", was introduced. This construction technique, which resulted in considerable savings in material, dictated that a strand of wire 4.5 mm think be wrapped in an outline resembling that of the Iron Cross rim. This, instead of the entire sheet of metal, was then struck into the pattern of the frame, with a finishing die cropping off the excess material. Because there was not as much material to crop off the new method resulted in a 40% reduction of waste, although only a limited number of manufacturers switched to this method."

So I was under the impression the "Gablonzer method" was not so much about the method of joining the frame halves, as simply a method of reducing waste in the stamping of the frame by stamping the frame out of a "cross-shaped" outline of metal instead of an entire flat sheet.
Are you suggesting that in addition to the different stamping method, there were also differences in joining methods under the definition of the "Gablonzer Press method" -- or could these be two independent variables in production?

Best regards,
---Norm

[Montgomery Burns]

here some old picture taken with my old camera ,,,,
in my early collecting day's
these where taken from a mm21 ek2 in mint condition



first it looks like there is no soldering at all

but with some closer inspection there is

gablonzer

[Montgomery Burns]

,,,

[Robert P.]

Thank you Norm,

I was under the impression that the halves were fused together under tremendous pressure, sealing the joint without the use of solder.

[Robert P.]

Montgomery,

Are you looking for shear markes rather than hand filing? Your second photo reveals this. I'll have to take a look at my 21's and 55's.

[Montgomery Burns]

and it go's perfectly around ,,so such as, you can see it is not don by hand

that's what I have being told is gablonzer press system ...

joining two haves together with a lot off pressure to let them join .

well lets see if that was correct

regards kay

[Robert P.]

Thank you Kay.

[Montgomery Burns]

here a corner