Here is the 1957 version of the Ritterkreuz with a frame clearly made by K&Q.
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Here's the flaw. It is equal in definition on both sides. I would like to point out again that the flaw is not my invention nor my discovery.Comment
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The core in not magnetic and at a first glance seems to be copper. But that is not so. Under the microscope one can see that the core is unpainted under the rims and is most likely zinc.
There are also paint residue (very few) on the inner rim sides which could be an indication of a repaint.Comment
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There are no obvious signs of opening and re-soldering the frame (such as heat spots) BUT there are considerable gaps between the two halves in some areas. Also I could not observe obvious refinishing after a possible re-soldering BUT there are some spots that could indicate a kind of rework.Comment
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Another area.Comment
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and another one...Comment
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The frame seems to be cleaned but that could have happened at any point in time between 1957 and now. The loop is marked 800 65.
Clearly, there are areas where the frame shows gaps but there are also areas where there is no gap visible at all. I personally would think that one would see something curious in the ring area (inside and outside) but at least I can't see anything out of the usual.
The only thing that is certain beyond any doubt is that the frames are K&Q.
DietrichComment
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Dietrich, in your book you have demonstrated two different types of ribbon loop, depending on the lenght of the 'free' end.....where does this one fit?...and are there any traces of rhodium on the frame?Last edited by Harry; 01-19-2008, 06:47 PM.Comment
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This is the later (longer ends) type loop. The cross has a shiny finish but that could be due to cleaning. I could not say whether there's any Rhodium involved or not. A test would be needed. (...maybe I should do that ???)
DietrichComment
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Dietrich,
The flaw you show is similar and in the same location as on one of my '57 KC's I mentioned to you a while back. I am certain that it is 800 marked. At the moment it is locked away so I can't say if there are other markings on it but I don't recall any.
I will bring it to the SOS for your perusal.
TonyAn opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it.
"First ponder, then dare." von MoltkeComment
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Now that would make two hand-made examples regarding to one theory...
I'm eager to see that piece at the SOS!
DietrichComment
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You got it my friend.
TonyAn opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it.
"First ponder, then dare." von MoltkeComment
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I would sure love to have one of these K7Q 1957 pattern Knight's Cross. is it possible to check the solder content between the 1957 production and the wartime production?
Bob HritzIn the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.Comment
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Interesting pics....to me:
- There appears to be verdigris on the oak leaf stem, which indicates something other that zinc (cupal?). Also, what accounts for the copper color on the worn spots?
- Again, from the pics, the frames actually appear unfinished vice cleaned. This is similar to SL EK1s I have handled assembled post war from original parts. SL die characteristics, but no finish.
- Construction appears quite shoddy. I've not seen an "original" KQ w/ gapped frames like that. Again, very similar to the SL EKs I mentioned above.
not drawing any conclusions, just reporting what I am seeing in your pics...Comment
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