Thoughts about RK and collecting...

[Steiner63]

Not sure if I count as a "typical" KC collector or not but I did buy a original KC group earlier in the year and have recently sold them back to the seller to finance my other collecting interests,so I can understand how KCs can be bought and sold again and again.

[Kevin V.]

If you are getting rid of items there is the same chance you will trade off your DKIG's as KC's those numbers dont add up. He currently has 9 top end known recipient ETC ETC unsold and that doesnt include the sold ones i have seen around ten DKIG's on detlevs updates in the past 2 years! and remember i doubled up the number of KC's and did nothing with the awarded figure of the DKIG duplicates unissued pieces ETC ETC i think it fair to add at least a quarter on top of the DKIG figure to cover this which makes it even more unrealistic. To me Its simple maths, In my humble opinion some of the "Good" KC's currently doing the rounds as wartime are not. As to these all being the same KC's passed round and around im sure a % of them are resells but im dubious to think that collectors who bought KC's they were happy with would move them round.

Sir as a KC collector myself I can only share you that DN had so many groupings and KC's for sale in the last two years because first of all a European collector who had over a 100 - 150 KC groupings sold them all to Detlev. Second the top end groupings he has been selling in the last weeks come from a WAF member here who decided to part with his collection. A few months back Weitze had more than ten Juncker KC's for sale at the same time a respected American dealer had several for sale also.Why? Because a US KC collector decided to part with more than 20 KC's.
If some of the members here would decide to sell there KC collection to Detlev Niemann he would have a nice stock again and I would be out of money.
As with all the other questions collectors have I can only refer them to the KC book written by our own Dietrich Maerz.

Thanks
Kevin

[Steinar]

1 person had over 100 KC's..... thats incredible.

Was it the largest KC collection in the world?

[jambobbyb]

Hi Kevin Going On detlevs update i have 53 KC's to 52 DKIGs and thats going back to 2000, I gave up saving his images to my archive around 2004-2005

[Kevin V.]

Hi Kevin Going On detlevs update i have 53 KC's to 52 DKIGs and thats going back to 2000, I gave up saving his images to my archive around 2004-2005

Sir you are forgetting how many groupings were sold before he had the time to update his website! I know because I was there also when several groupings came in and they were never on his update because already reserved or bought while visiting him!!


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[jambobbyb]

there you go then kevin even more KC's than DKIG's! I think it comes down to if your a believer in these things or not, Clearly im a non beliver.
Sorry i have checked around 25% of them and failed to find a double as yet.
Sorry for the edit guys but.
Kevin in your previous post regarding the KC collectors selling up, this proves only where these have come from, To me this can be taken as a long time KC collector has made his huge investment someone elses problem.

[Kevin V.]

No problem if you are sceptical.
More then 7000 Kc's awarded. Some recipiants had one KC,others had two or more.
How many original KC's do you think are owned here by the members on the forum?

Thanks
Kevin

[jambobbyb]

Kevin now thats a very good question, I would love to hear how many of each producer are owned by the collectors here on WAF.

No problem if you are sceptical.
More then 7000 Kc's awarded. Some recipiants had one KC,others had two or more.
How many original KC's do you think are owned here by the members on the forum?

Thanks
Kevin

[Kevin V.]

Kevin now thats a very good question, I would love to hear how many of each producer are owned by the collectors here on WAF.

This question has been made before but it does not represent a good view as many KC's change hands every year.
You could start a poll with how many original pre 45 KC's do you own.
I think that no more than 300 KC's are owned here by WAF members and I believe this is one of the most popular forum.

Thanks
Kevin

[jambobbyb]

What i think would be better is if someone would step up to the plate and do a survey of how many KC's How many DKIG'S DKIS's CCC in gold and honour goblets are owned this would give a fair cross section of rarer items and awarded numbers opposed to ammount available within the collecting circle that is WAF, If any one wants i would happily gather the figures in an anonymous way.
Any major discrepancies could be easily spotted using this method
PS 53 KC's from DN's update checked one double found so one resale using the files i have.

This question has been made before but it does not represent a good view as many KC's change hands every year.
You could start a poll with how many original pre 45 KC's do you own.
I think that no more than 300 KC's are owned here by WAF members and I believe this is one of the most popular forum.

Thanks
Kevin

[Leroy]

If you are talking about statistics for only WAF members, that's great. Unfortunately, there are hundreds of collectors worldwide who are not members here and many HUGE collections held by people who are totally anonymous to us. I have been stunned, on more than just a few occasions, to see amazing collections in the hands of people who do not communicate here, who do not attend shows and who are, basically, invisible to all but a very few in this community. There is very serious private wealth and secrecy in this "hobby".

[Pieter Verbruggen]

...does it realy matters how many KC were sold by Detlev? Or how many are around.
A KC is a very desirable decoration, resulting in high demand and premium prices.....period.
...there is only one certain thing , believer or non-believer, if you want one you will have to pay the price, and these will only go up!

Pieter.

[jambobbyb]

Peter to me it does if there is a signigificantly larger number of "good" KC's in circulation than there should be it leaves a very large question mark over authenticity in my mind, At least one question has been answered from the original ones posted. There about as rare as a DKIG but there desirabiliy is driving the price.

[DavidB]

Well, I agree that the RK is indeed not a rare award. But like everyone says, very desirable. There is a certain mystique with this award that will always fascinate people.

I used to be one of those guys that said " I will never ever buy a RK, why do that when I can get a Ek1 that looks almost the same for €150"
Well I was offered some nice badges, and it turned out the guy was a RK träger and the seller had the RK as well, a Schickle, so I ended up buying it.
I definitely not regret it, although its a pain to have so much money locked in a single medal. But I definitely feel I want another one now! Preferly a nice attributed Juncker!

David

[Dietrich Maerz]

There about as rare as a DKIG but there desirabiliy is driving the price.

That is not true. They are a lot rarer than DKIG. By a factor of at least 5 times.

Dietrich