Cased KC With Oakleaves And Swords

[MH184]

Hi Ron,

A lovely case for the RK, I like these maker marked and I believe also of course the only RK to have it's maker stamped in the liner of the case at that !

Would you be so kind as to post some pic's of the Oaks case in the packets and cases forum please. I need as much exposure on these as I can get. i've onyl handled about 7 or 8 of them and all the more the merrier.


Kr

Marcus

[RonR]

Hi Ron,

A lovely case for the RK, I like these maker marked and I believe also of course the only RK to have it's maker stamped in the liner of the case at that !

Would you be so kind as to post some pic's of the Oaks case in the packets and cases forum please. I need as much exposure on these as I can get. i've onyl handled about 7 or 8 of them and all the more the merrier.


Kr

Marcus

Marcus,

I would be happy to post the Oaks case in the Packets and Cases Forum.

Here is a previous thread on them.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=234989

Best regards,

[Dietrich Maerz]

Has this forum gone totally to s**t!
Ron has posted a very expensive item for discussion, and after all these pictures this is the best it gets for discussion. Pitiful! The problem is the forum members who know about these type of pieces are no longer stepping up to help fellow collectors authenticate their rare pieces. In the past, an item like this would bring a good deal of discussion.
Based on a quick study of Dietrich's book which just arrived yesterday I will say that Ron's oaks and swords are not original. The detail in the sword and hilt areas are not up to par. best wishes,
jeff

May I direct you valued attention to post # 30? I know, sometimes it is very thought to read everything....
Furthermore I had an intensive PM with Ron explaining what I though (and he agreed). I really don't think this forum is ****!! Not even close. I think that Ron is very please with the fast and intensive response.

A very good question, I think.

Welcome Robin to the Crosses forum! I think this was your first post here - as far as I recall. Nothing better than a deep discussion, isn't it!

Dietrich

[RonR]

I do want to personally thank Dietrich for the immediate and detailed PM in regard to the Oakleaves and Swords which was very informative and generous on his part to take the time to respond.

Thank You!

Also thank you to Franco, Jeff and Chet for their considered opinions and all who took the time to view the thread even if they felt like they had nothing to add or just wanted to see the pictures of these items.

We learn everyday from the collective knowlege of our membership and that is definitely appreciated.

Best regards,

[bobcam1]

I do want to personally thank Dietrich for the immediate and detailed PM in regard to the Oakleaves and Swords which was very informative and generous on his part to take the time to respond.

Thank You!

Also thank you to Franco, Jeff and Chet for their considered opinions and all who took the time to view the thread evan if they felt like they had nothing to add or just wanted to see the pictures of these items.

We learn everyday from the collective knowlege of our membership and that is definately appreciated.

Best regards,

That is the single most diplomatic post I've ever seen.....

Bob.

[Dave Kane]

Correct, George.

Two reasons............

1. I didn't see the thread until 30 minutes ago. Strange as it may seem, I have a day job.

2. I think it best to keep my thoughts to myself on this occasion.

Really, too bad! This Forum (developed) to what it is and encouraged those who stayed with it by way of discussion and oft time out and out arguments

Robin, say what's on your mind...

If not..sit down

[Edgar Estrada]

Since I have limited experience and only one RK (a K&Q) I see nothing wrong with Ron's cross. As for the Oaks and Swords I can offer nothing other than what I also saw in Dietrichs book which leads me to belive they are not good.

Chet

I see the oak leaves and swords to be a beatiful piece but of course I do not know anything to say they are not original or that they are.
PIty, I think with Dietrichs book I may know about the "wrong" in that set, however I count myself among those which will never have Dietrich's book. It is not that I do not wish to have one. It is that I cannot affort it. I wish I could have the book.
On the other hand, all the gentlemen that have say that the set is bad base their answer on DIETRICH point of view (the book). I wonder if there is another BIG GUN who can say something about the set. (please I am not saying that DIETRICH is wrong, my quetion to know if all the "BIG GUNS" in the hobby have a common view about this kind of set. This after reading the long a good discussion about the S&L KCs and the tape A and B dies, etc, etc, etc. A lor information there).

Regards to all

Edgar

[tinmantis]

what's Robin talking about? did he sell Ron these oaks?
what's the mystery? I don't have Dietrich's bible as yet, but I'd/we'd like to know the scoop guys!
regards
jon

[bikerboyzx6r]

Hi guys... new to the forum & finding it fascinating! Keep up the good work, I hope i learn somethings from you all!

p.s liking the banter

Dan

[Robin Lumsden]

Robin, say what's on your mind...

Nothing, Dave.

Honestly.

I just prefer to read rather than post so much, these days.

That's all.

[Robin Lumsden]

What's Robin talking about? Did he sell Ron these oaks?

No.

[Dave Kane]

Nothing, Dave.

Honestly.

I just prefer to read rather than post so much, these days.

That's all.

Granted the 'discussions' have slowed but it's likely due to the countless go arounds over the last 5-6 years...there's only so much that can be discussed.

The venue surely hasn't gone to sh*t but has actually become better, evidenced by the members helping to produce some great print material, debunking myths and allowing some intereresting folks a platform!

[Jeff V]

Granted the 'discussions' have slowed but it's likely due to the countless go arounds over the last 5-6 years...there's only so much that can be discussed.

The venue surely hasn't gone to sh*t but has actually become better, evidenced by the members helping to produce some great print material, debunking myths and allowing some intereresting folks a platform!

Better? I beg to differ. There is so much participation these days that not one person can be located on the forum with a EK or Ostmedal-PKZ numbered with some provenance. I have two and I don't even collect docs and crosses. Anyway, there is some great books out there and on the way, but to suggest the forum is better is laughable. best wishes,
jeff

[Dietrich Maerz]

Better? I beg to differ. There is so much participation these days that not one person can be located on the forum with a EK or Ostmedal-PKZ numbered with some provenance.

Maybe it is not just that easy. I mean...when I started the research about 3-4 years ago I did more than just ask a very, very small part of the collector community to 'show some provenance'.

The topic of the EK's is far, far more complex by reason of sheer numbers alone. The Ostmedaille? Good luck to have that as a solid base for determination of the PKZ start date.

Dietrich

PS: I don't think that the quality is laughable. I visit about 6 other fora and I could tell you what 'laughable' is. Naming Deschler as a RK manufacturer for example.

[Jeff V]

Maybe it is not just that easy. I mean...when I started the research about 3-4 years ago I did more than just ask a very, very small part of the collector community to 'show some provenance'.

The topic of the EK's is far, far more complex by reason of sheer numbers alone. The Ostmedaille? Good luck to have that as a solid base for determination of the PKZ start date.

Dietrich

PS: I don't think that the quality is laughable. I visit about 6 other fora and I could tell you what 'laughable' is. Naming Deschler as a RK manufacturer for example.

You have misunderstood me Dietrich. I said that the quality of the this forum being better than in the past was laughable, not that this forum is laughable compared to all the other fora.
I was just trying to drum up a thread I thought people would be interested in. best wishes,
jeff