O, what a lovely day.....

[ben bijker]

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nice hardware

[Robert P.]

I would say so too Ben,

That pin is very Godet looking. I'd like to hear what others say about it. The '3' in your date looks exactly as my SB. Just maybe we can pinpoint this maker after all, the Unknown SB.

No, not Godet, but the maker 'UU', Weidmann '19'.

Thanks,
Robert

[Robert P.]

Look at the catch, ctachplate and hinge on this badge. I wonder of there is a link between these two badges, your EKI and this IAB?

Robert

[Robert P.]

Yes...same crosses. This is the first pinback I have seen of this maker. I'll bet you've been trying to identify it for a long time, Ben.

Robert

[ben bijker]

Robert, for me this is the second pinback, but I hadn't linked it to the screwback before.

I posted the first pinback about a year ago (?) and I think Stef said that it was an early K&Q if I recall well.

Ben

[StefanK.]

Hi Ben and Robert,

no this Variant is not made by K&Q. Actually it was made by F.Wiedmann.
In my point of view they are neither rare nor very early. Niemann has sold some of them recently and offered them as a relative to the round 3 EKs what is also nonsense to me.
As Robert already pointed out these crosses simply have the classic Wiedmann setup (especially pin) while the hook can either appear flat (as on IAB's) or round.

To sum up i think that the crosses posted by Ben at the beginnig of this thread are much rarer (i already got seven Wiedmanns but not ONE L/14 ).


Kind regards,

Stefan

[ben bijker]

Hi Stefan,

I don't think they are related to round 3 ek's either.
The setup is a bit unusual, but that is all.
I do think however these crosses are early.
Very odd that you see the screwback more often for sale then the pinback.

The L/14 is really nice, I bought it from a good friend who just aquired a cased L/14.
He did regret it afterwards, since my L/14 is magnetic, and his L/14 isn't.....

Ben

[StefanK.]

Hi Ben,

maybe my post was not clear. I do not want to say that they are not early, but i don't think they are very early (as e.g. Schinkel Eks). I believe they are around 1941/1942 (i have a screwback version in a L/51 mmd case, so they maybe were made at least until the initiation of the LDO).

stef

[Robert P.]

Hi Ben,

maybe my post was not clear. I do not want to say that they are not early, but i don't think they are very early (as e.g. Schinkel Eks). I believe they are around 1941/1942 (i have a screwback version in a L/51 mmd case, so they maybe were made at least until the initiation of the LDO).

stef

Stef,

You're right on, also Ben. This cross came with a grouping from a vet. His EKI doc shows a date of Dec. 31, 1941, a good new years eve award.

Robert

[ben bijker]

Hi Stef,

I did mis understand you, that is what I meant to say too

Best regards,
Ben

[Robert P.]

The grouping consisted of (4) docs plus the EKI and photo of Oberfeldwebel Schmitt. I've added the rest as a display...

Weidmann's name is not on the EKI list, but poerhaps one of the 'unknown maker' pertains to him...?

Robert

[ben bijker]

Stef,

You're right on, also Ben. This cross came with a grouping from a vet. His EKI doc shows a date of Dec. 31, 1941, a good new years eve award.

Robert

Nice!!

all of us are right, and we know the maker.
That was fast
What more can you wish for??


Nice group Robert!!!

Best regards,
Ben

[Robert P.]

Nice!!

all of us are right, and we know the maker.
That was fast
What more can you wish for??


Nice group Robert!!!

Best regards,
Ben

Very good, a Weidmann EKI, both pinback and SB. Next?

Robert

[StefanK.]

Thanks for the very valuable information on the award date, Robert!

Stefan

[Robert P.]

Thanks for the very valuable information on the award date, Robert!

Stefan

Thanks Stefan,

This group became a very interesting project, especially after reading Antony Beevor's 'Stalingrad'. I've read that the 11th motorized inf. regiment was part of the Army Group Central which blitzkrieged into Russia during the war, so I jumped at the opportunity to obtain the docs, photo and award to a senior infantry NCO which was part of it all. I love the history. I first bought the cross of iron, and later heard that this was only a piece of a group. Wanting to keep as much as I could together to preserve history, I bought the other pieces.

Thank you for confirming the maker. It was pure luck that Ben posted the pinback, and I had the IAB to compare to. Like Ben said, it was just too easy. ...this time.

Robert