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    #61
    why did the family sell the grouping and now taking it back? Why was the group splitted at the first sale?

    The ek2 doc harry posted look dubious. Although its certainly possible that he got two docs, a unmatching date is something I have seen several times and I wouldnt think to much about it.

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      #62
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        #63
        From the auction catalogue from 5th April 2009 Stauffer Auction house sold by Hermes diretly:
        knights cross - 800 - , marking on ring -935 - with case: in the case handwritting from Hermes: date, signature and unit number
        Startprice was 2500 Euro.
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          #64
          thats it!
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            #65
            2009 on hands directly from holder (BW Oberstleutnant !!!! )
            in my two 2009 Kataloge are not listet
            what finally price ?

            Last edited by ChrisH; 12-20-2009, 11:19 AM.

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              #66
              Sold in 2008 catalogue! The total price was in the next catalogue in September/October 2008.

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                #67
                yust for eveyones information: Hermes was not the yougest at all. Christian Lohrey received the Ritterkreuz at the age of 17.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by frankandfrank View Post
                  Sold in 2008 catalogue! The total price was in the next catalogue in September/October 2008.
                  you wish the final price too ?

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                    #69
                    At the time he received the RK, Hermes was the youngest recipient. But younger winners of the RK came later.
                    The EKII doc photo that I posted was forwarded to me by a Hermes family member.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Dietrich Maerz View Post
                      I know also that Hermes got two crosses and that he did send one home. The other one was taken by partisans and is lost. I would assume that DN bought the cross form the family (after they got it back from the Museum - if it ever was there) and I'm sure he can back that up.

                      Maybe the Museum was wrong also. But this is a strange one since it popped up already twice in the literature.

                      That's all I know and I would love to see pictures of the cross. A slightly flawed S&L awarded in mid-44 fits perfectly in the timeframe!

                      Dietrich
                      Well, it seems that the grouping changed hands a bit too often...

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                      Robert
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                        #71
                        Originally posted by Harry View Post
                        At the time he received the RK, Hermes was the youngest recipient. But younger winners of the RK came later.
                        The EKII doc photo that I posted was forwarded to me by a Hermes family member.

                        now i understand what you mean

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                          #72
                          Well, it seems that the grouping changed hands a bit too often...

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                          Robert

                          agree total .................... shame !!!

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                            #73
                            .... I think at least one person was totally fooled....


                            Harry, did you sell the RK Doc. directly to Hermes?

                            Stefan

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                              #74
                              Just like i thought someone was running a number.

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                                #75
                                So the showing knights cross of the user is only a unknown knights cross without any history! It seems there was a knights cross with a fake story - but not Hermes knights cross .

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