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    KvK w/ Swords

    It is maker mark.
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    Rear

    Rear Maker marked "3"
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      #3
      Rear W/pin

      Rear w/pin.
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        #4
        I'm not hot about this one. Pin, catch, overall finish etc. I know, all those negative vibes but sorry, Jimmy.

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          #5
          Frank would you look again please. The zinc is bubbling like crasy on the rear. Doesnt it take years for the finish to start bubbling? I thank You.

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            #6
            Jimmy, yes usually it'll take years before the bubbling shows up.

            I've taken a second look and I don't see it but maybe I need new glasses plus you have the cross in hand, so it's bubbling.

            Please don't take my opinion as a final verdict. I'm just passing my opinion based on my own mm3's, the files I have plus that gut feeling and all combined says to me somethings wrong here.

            Hopefully someone else has a better idea about your cross and we'll both learn something.

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              #7
              Close up of rear

              Any other opinions. It has no links to Floch. And the back side has a whole lot of little bubbling. Hard to make out in picture but it is there the bubbling. Thanks
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                #8
                Any morer opinions?

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                  #9
                  IMO Original badge.

                  However, it appears the reverse has been messed with and repainted. Catch looks replaced and the pin and hinge look not quite right for the maker.

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                    #10
                    Thanks Darrell, The back is not refinished just a bunch of little bubbles or dimples. The catch has been repaired for sure. Thanks for the help on the W/O to. Although it doesn't have the tell tale Foch "bumps" near the arms. I don't like the 1 either. Thanks
                    jimmy

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                      #11
                      The marking is for Deumer. The cross has the correct "Deumer" plate under the hinge. The obverse match a Deumer as far as i can see. The needle and catch is not what we normaly see on a Deumer. Maybee this is a early postwar? St&L did it so why not Deumer?

                      Peter

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                        #12
                        Thanks Peter and Darrell. Jimmy

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                          #13
                          Looks period

                          From the pictures it looks a genuine mid war period example, still retaining a high percentage of the original frosting to the obverse and the burnished highlights, with reference to the reverse it is evident it has had a few running repairs. Evidence of the silver plate reacting to the zinc base is characteristic with the zinc mid war construction Badges.
                          Regards Martin

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                            #14
                            Hello,

                            I would say a genuine Deumer produced badge. I don't believe this the original hinge mounted on top of the correct plate and I also think the catch has been repaired.

                            William Kramer
                            Last edited by all1knew; 12-14-2007, 04:18 PM.
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                              #15
                              How?

                              I don't know how this got back to this forum.
                              It is listed for sale on the estand at a very attractive price.
                              And all of a sudden its up here.
                              Thanks to you guys for your kind comments. And I agree with your comments whole heartily.
                              Jimmy

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