KvK w/ Swords

[Jimmy]

It is maker mark.

[Jimmy]

Rear

Rear Maker marked "3"

[Jimmy]

Rear W/pin

Rear w/pin.

[Frank K]

I'm not hot about this one. Pin, catch, overall finish etc. I know, all those negative vibes but sorry, Jimmy.

[Jimmy]

Frank would you look again please. The zinc is bubbling like crasy on the rear. Doesnt it take years for the finish to start bubbling? I thank You.

[Frank K]

Jimmy, yes usually it'll take years before the bubbling shows up.

I've taken a second look and I don't see it but maybe I need new glasses plus you have the cross in hand, so it's bubbling.

Please don't take my opinion as a final verdict. I'm just passing my opinion based on my own mm3's, the files I have plus that gut feeling and all combined says to me somethings wrong here.

Hopefully someone else has a better idea about your cross and we'll both learn something.

[Jimmy]

Close up of rear

Any other opinions. It has no links to Floch. And the back side has a whole lot of little bubbling. Hard to make out in picture but it is there the bubbling. Thanks

[Jimmy]

Any morer opinions?

[Darrell]

IMO Original badge.

However, it appears the reverse has been messed with and repainted. Catch looks replaced and the pin and hinge look not quite right for the maker.

[Jimmy]

Thanks Darrell, The back is not refinished just a bunch of little bubbles or dimples. The catch has been repaired for sure. Thanks for the help on the W/O to. Although it doesn't have the tell tale Foch "bumps" near the arms. I don't like the 1 either. Thanks
jimmy

[Peter Wiking]

The marking is for Deumer. The cross has the correct "Deumer" plate under the hinge. The obverse match a Deumer as far as i can see. The needle and catch is not what we normaly see on a Deumer. Maybee this is a early postwar? St&L did it so why not Deumer?

Peter

[Jimmy]

Thanks Peter and Darrell. Jimmy

[Martin Harding]

Looks period

From the pictures it looks a genuine mid war period example, still retaining a high percentage of the original frosting to the obverse and the burnished highlights, with reference to the reverse it is evident it has had a few running repairs. Evidence of the silver plate reacting to the zinc base is characteristic with the zinc mid war construction Badges.
Regards Martin

[all1knew]

Hello,

I would say a genuine Deumer produced badge. I don't believe this the original hinge mounted on top of the correct plate and I also think the catch has been repaired.

William Kramer

[Jimmy]

How?

I don't know how this got back to this forum.
It is listed for sale on the estand at a very attractive price.
And all of a sudden its up here.
Thanks to you guys for your kind comments. And I agree with your comments whole heartily.
Jimmy