my new kvk wow!

[Darrell]

Winkler has many minatures on his site. Not saying he's 100% correct, but any EK1 and Ek2 combinations are the same size. The only one with a larger cross is the RK.

[Peter J.]

This thread has opened up for a very interesting topic and once Dietrich's book has reached the shelfs, I'm convinced a lot of discussions will occur.
Darrell, Winkler has both 2x9mm and 11x9mm combos of EK's, non of them labelled as RK by him.
For the record, here's my personal opinion regarding the 1939 EK and KVK:
1 9mm EK = EK 2nd class
2x9mm EK =EK1+EK2
1 16mm EK (for chain)= EK 2nd class
1 16mm EK (pin)= EK 1st class
11x9mm EK= EK1+EK2

11x9mm KVK= RK+KVK1 (regardless of swords or not on the 1st class)

cheers
Peter

[Darrell]

Here is a member's (not sure who this belongs to), who had two KVK1 w/ swords the same size on a stickpin. This would indicate KVK1 w/ Swords 1st and KVK2 w/ Swords in my book.

[Darrell]

Peter, you used to have a similar combination at one time to the one that started this thread

[Peter J.]

Here is a member's (not sure who this belongs to), who had two KVK1 w/ swords the same size on a stickpin. This would indicate KVK1 w/ Swords 1st and KVK2 w/ Swords in my book.

In my book too Darrell . But in this case it's not the size that really matters, there was no 1st class in bronze. Btw, does anyone else find it odd with a 1957-type WB on this combo

cheers
Peter

[Peter J.]

Peter, you used to have a similar combination at one time to the one that started this thread

And I still do

cheers
Peter

[Ludwig]

In my book too Darrell . But in this case it's not the size that really matters, there was no 1st class in bronze. Btw, does anyone else find it odd with a 1957-type WB on this combo

cheers
Peter

Perhaps it is a WW1 wound badge?

[wehrpasswilly]

Peter, you used to have a similar combination at one time to the one that started this thread

Very nice collection you got there Darrell - can't post mine as currently in the bank for safe keeping. I stand by what I said the larger KVK is definately the RK. Regards Paul

[Jono]

Jon,
Not exactly sure how that one works. Obviously required 2nd Class > 1st Class > RK. Not sure if you had to earn the 1st w/ Swords to get the RK w/ Swords or if the 1st w/o Swords would do?

For anyone who has the Book "Medals and decorations of Hitler's Germany" by Robin Lumsden if you flip to page 100 there is a photo of Johannes Engel who is wearing a KVK1 without swords and an Rk to the KVK with swords

[Darrell]

Very nice collection you got there Darrell - can't post mine as currently in the bank for safe keeping. I stand by what I said the larger KVK is definately the RK. Regards Paul

That's not my collection .. it's PeterJ's. I lifted the picture

[Peter J.]

Perhaps it is a WW1 wound badge?

Could be, but I strongly doubt it. If it indeed is the case, it would explain this EK-combo in zinc

cheers
Peter

[tinmantis]

For anyone who has the Book "Medals and decorations of Hitler's Germany" by Robin Lumsden if you flip to page 100 there is a photo of Johannes Engel who is wearing a KVK1 without swords and an Rk to the KVK with swords

Hi
can you post a scan?
regards
jon

[Jono]

Hi
can you post a scan?
regards
jon

Sorry, i don't have a scanner but i did take a photo that came out alright

[Peter J.]

Jon, here's a shot of SS-Brigadeführer Hans Kehrl with the same features.
SS-Brigadeführer August Korreng recieved the same decorations.

cheers
Peter

[Darrell]

There you go