Juncker loop tip finishing

[Kevin V.]

I think it would be interesting to have a discussion on the loops of the KC's.
Which loop comes with which KC maker and variant.

First we can start discussing the JUNCKER KC's and their loops.

Periods:

Very early KC's
early KC's
early - mid KC's
later KC's

Juncker KC's:

unmarked
800
800 dot
800 L/12
L/12 800
2
micro2
Lazy2

[Kevin V.]

Please share your opinions !!

VERY early...well finished and angled sharply

Early....some rounded

Early-Mid...angled and slightly finished

Later....chopped off and crude

Thanks D.

sincerely
Kevin Verbeeck

[werner p.]

Juncker "800" KC

The Juncker "800" KC loop

[Kevin V.]

Thanks werner for posting the picture for me of one of my Juncker "800" KC with the modified orange ribbon.

Juncker loops have a diameter between 1.58-1.62 mm.

The 800 on the Juncker pieces have a small gap between the "8" and the "0", and the lower loop of the "8" is larger than the upper loop.

[werner p.]

Another Juncker "800" from Kevin V. collection

Thanks

[Kevin V.]

Could someone please post a picture of the loop of an unmarked Juncker KC as I did not find one yet for my own collection.

[werner p.]

Another Juncker "800" KC from the Kevin V. collection with modified EKII ribbon

Thanks for looking

[Kevin V.]

Thanks Werner for the assistance.

Could someone please post a picture of the loop of an unmarked Juncker KC.
Thanks
Kevin

[werner p.]

Unmarked Juncker KC

Here is a picture I found on the forum of an unmarked Juncker KC with an 800 marked loop.

[Kevin V.]

Assistance welcome !!
Any other pics of an unmarked Juncker KC.

Thanks
Kevin

[ben bijker]

Here is a picture I found on the forum of an unmarked Juncker KC with an 800 marked loop.

Well, that doesn't really look like a sharp angle, does it??
To me the tips are rounded off nicely.

Regards,
Ben

[Kevin V.]

Well, that doesn't really look like a sharp angle, does it??
To me the tips are rounded off nicely.

Regards,
Ben

Hi Ben that is the reason I ask for other pics of unmarked Juncker KC's to see which loop they have!!

Thanks
Kevin

[Dietrich Maerz]

Kevin,

what undisputable and unshakable evidence do you have that all the Juncker crosses you looked at, and also the ones from your collection a paying member is posting here for you, have the original loops on them as they were delivered 'ex works' Juncker?

I know you dont. Nobody has this kind of evidence.

So the only second thing is to look at as much crosses as possible and hopefully get a statistical trend. That's all that's left, unless you have a lot of good original pictures showing the tips.

So what is a good number for lets say 'very early Juncker'? One, two, five, 28 ????

This is a shaky subject and huge verbal wars with accusations of 'fraud' and 'switching' have been faught over this - with no side being able to solidly prove a case or any case at all.

Dietrich

[Kevin V.]

Kevin,

what undisputable and unshakable evidence do you have that all the Juncker crosses you looked at, and also the ones from your collection a paying member is posting here for you, have the original loops on them as they were delivered 'ex works' Juncker?

I know you dont. Nobody has this kind of evidence.

So the only second thing is to look at as much crosses as possible and hopefully get a statistical trend. That's all that's left, unless you have a lot of good original pictures showing the tips.

So what is a good number for lets say 'very early Juncker'? One, two, five, 28 ????

This is a shaky subject and huge verbal wars with accusations of 'fraud' and 'switching' have been faught over this - with no side being able to solidly prove a case or any case at all.

Dietrich

It is a shaky subject for sure, but lets try. It is not because something is shaky we can't discuss it. I have talked to Pieter V., Dave etc. and they will try to assist and make a nice thread concerning the loops.
For me the loop has the same importance as the cross itself.
If I buy a lazy2 KC I don't want it to come with a S&L loop. You know which loop comes with a Lazy2 KC but not all members here know that.

You are writing a book on the KC subject. I am sure you are not putting in pics of a KC that has a loop that comes for another cross as you know at what to look.

I like to hear all opinions and hope this thread will help other members who are thinking of buying a KC in the future so they know they need to look at all aspects.

[Dave Kane]

I agree that when we aquire a Cross a 100%, one looker, no doubt feeling should accompany it....

That said, I am a purest to the enth degree (good or bad) but also a bit logical. If a Cross shows 'period' bits, ok! However, if it is attached to a loop, ribbon etc which isn't period I am turned off.

Anything can happen to include a loop change...

However, when we see very expensive Crosses being offered with loops that are bought on Ebay for $10 and attributed to a family purchase and suggested provenance....this makes my hair stand on end.

Logically, I like to see the loop 'match' the Cross but if it feels good and looks good, it just may be good