KVK1 - Deumer or 43?

[Frank K]

You guys need to spell this slowly to me. Darrell, you're saying that the the one from Weitze is the typical L/11 and since it doesn't look like first one ergo it's a 43?

How about this one then. To me it has the same features like wschmidt's: pinsize, waves on the swordshandles, the handles have the same broadness(?) top and bottom etc.

Frank

PS: not my picture, so thanks for borrowing it.

[Robert P.]

If this last post is of an L/11 Deumer, the pin is very wide at the base for the Deumer. I think I see a '1' on the right of the pin. Yet, if it is an L/11, it is.

Robert

[Frank K]

Let's see what's under the pin...drumroll....and here we go.

Robert, I still believe you did a good presentation and proved what wschmidt's cross is: L/11. The pin size on L/11s vary from about the size that Darrell shows to almost 43 size. What does the difference to me is the swordhandles. L/11 comes like the one here and 43's always, afaik, have the concave shape and no waves as shown on your 43.



Frank

[Frank K]

One more L/11:

Frank

[Darrell]

What about this one?

[Darrell]

Here's a hand vaulted example from Phillipe DB collection:

[Frank K]

First one is L/11, believe it's the same as below, and the second is 43 as the mm says.

So this way we can continue to show each other pictures, believe I've a couple of my cat too somewhere, but what is the conclusion here?

Frank

[Robert P.]

Then let's look at the obverse of the first badge and the known '43'...

Robert

[Frank K]

Yep and the swordhandles are clearly different on the obverse too or I need new glasses.

Frank

[Robert P.]

Frank,

Here's another marked 43 for comparison to the last set of photos...

Robert

[Robert P.]

rev. 43

[Frank K]

To me wschmidt's cross is anything but 43 and I believe the pics speak for themselves but I give up

[Robert P.]

To me wschmidt's cross is anything but 43 and I believe the pics speak for themselves but I give up

After seeing the other Deumer examples with the wide straight pins I believe the cross is an original Deumer, and not a '43'. I'm back to my original belief based on the difference between the sword handles, the pins and the wreaths of the '43' and the Deumers posted.

Robert

[Carsten135]

Here is my 43

Hi this has been postet before but here it comes again. Has never been worn and is in a original packing exept for the segel that locks the pin.


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[Carsten135]

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