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    65 or 66 EKII

    Hi,

    I just received an EKII that was supposed to be a '60' marked cross. Well, it's not a '60', and now I'm confused on whether it's a '65' or a '66'. The stamps look a lot alike, but the crosses are different...slightly. In examining the crosses I see differences in many areas. I'll point them out as I go along. BTW, I couldn't find a '66' marked EKII in the archives. I did find a '60' under the heading 'pics list', but it is very much different.

    Here's the known '65' first...

    Robert
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    the 'maybe' '66'...
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      #3
      '65' numbers on top...all (7) of my '65's have the same style numbers...look at the heavier, flatter style on the bottom...
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        #4
        the swasis are different, the '65' on top...
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          #5
          now look at where the bevel of the swasi meets the flat core. The '65' (on top) has sharp edges or corners, while the bottom swasi has a more rounded edge or corner. See the difference. I don't have one '65' that looks like the bottom swasi.
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            #6
            Now look at the stamps. The known '65' is on the top, the other ? on the bottom. Do you think it's a '66'?
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              #7
              Hello,

              the depicted cross is definitely a 65er cross.

              Best Franki

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                #8
                Hi Robert,
                Going by the stamps alone, I would read the bottom one as a '65'. I say this because the '6' has quite a broad leading edge to it whereas the second numeral doesn't and I can't see that it ever could have done looking at the unstamped metal between the digits.

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                  #9
                  Perhaps K&Q had a 'variant' or a second core die?

                  Robert

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                    #10
                    Hello,

                    in deed, K&Q has used two different cores.
                    They differ in the shape of date and swastika.

                    Best Franki

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by franki View Post
                      Hello,

                      in deed, K&Q has used two different cores.
                      They differ in the shape of date and swastika.

                      Best Franki
                      Thank you very much Franki,

                      Yes, the frames on both crosses under a 10X loop look exactly the same. The core just threw me off. Thanks everyone for clarification.

                      Robert

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