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    One (repaired) S&l Rk Die!

    Approximately two years ago we had a great discussion about the S&L Knight's Cross die. At that time there were 2 if not 3 camps offering different theories about the # of die and how they might have been produced. A great go-around lasting 51 pages!

    In the end and almost 2 years later it is (generally) accepted that there indeed was only one die for S&L Knight's Crosses and that die was repaired prior to the end of the war resulting in the 935/4 'type' frame commonly refered to as 'B'.

    I found a POST WAR S&L Knight's Cross frame in mint condition which suggests strongly that further ongoing repairs were made to these die long after war's end. Many of the 'fingerprints' have flattened out as is expected with 'die use' however, a handful still exist to include the remnant of the 'dent' or 'pock' row and certain 'split' beading.

    The 'REPAIRED' areas of the frame are sharp and deep while the areas that weren't rehabilitated are very flat and shallow. The following pictures should clarify and affirm that over time the die wears, dents and pocks become blurry and a great deal of detail just goes away.
    Attached Files
    Regards,
    Dave

    #2
    3oc arm after repair....
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    Regards,
    Dave

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      #3
      6oc arm after repair
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      Regards,
      Dave

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        #4
        Non-repaired arm between 6 and 3
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        Regards,
        Dave

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          #5
          Non-repair between 6 and 9
          Attached Files
          Regards,
          Dave

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            #6
            Bottom 3oc arm and the 'ghost' dent / pock row...note the contrast of the repaired beading and the extremely flat worn down beading.
            Attached Files
            Regards,
            Dave

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              #7
              Another contrasting view of the 3oc dent/pock area and the repaired portion of the same arm.
              Attached Files
              Regards,
              Dave

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                #8
                Remains of the dent / pock row....8th and 9th bead being the deepest!
                Attached Files
                Regards,
                Dave

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                  #9
                  Bead 'split' at the base of the 6oc arm
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                  Regards,
                  Dave

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                    #10
                    When I brought froward the findings of two different die stages (which I termed at that time "the two dies") there was indeed a big discussion whether there were two consequent dies or one repaired. The discussion brought to light that indeed the one single die was repaired!

                    Now why is this so important one might ask?

                    Very easy! If there would have been two dies one could freely argue that the B-Type models (produced on a new die not a repaired one) could have been produced parallel or even earlier than the A-Type.

                    This would have been very convenient for a lot of opinions:

                    - the flawed A-Type could have been produced after the war
                    - the 935-4 could have been an "early model"
                    - all the other B-Types (800, incuse 800, 800-4, 935, unmarked) could all have been 'early models' or - this was brought forward - even 'special models' with high grade silver (935) for whatever exclusive purpose one could think of!

                    This would have been ( and was ....) a feast for some dealers and would have presented the complete opposite of what is the case.

                    It will still take years for the community to accept the facts as they stand and Dave's frame here is another testemony to the reapaired die.

                    Some people and some dealers will always clinch to what they want to have as reality - the honest ones will accept the facts (and have done so already).

                    The only real mistery to solve at this point in time is:

                    Which model is the first post war?

                    As long as that is not solved I personally urge for caution with every non 934-4 B-Type.
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                      #11
                      Very nice. Dave, what did you use for the macro shots?
                      Marc

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                        #12
                        Exactly, and I recall that I even mentioned that danger early on in that drawn out discussion....it surely would have given the dealers an 'open door' for excuses and stories!!!

                        After all the debate...there's NO way to talk around period or post!!
                        Regards,
                        Dave

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                          #13
                          Marc, I used 'doublers' that create an image without the distortion that microsopes or magnifying glasses tend to produce.

                          The only drawback is the light has to be just right!
                          Regards,
                          Dave

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Dave Kane View Post
                            Exactly, and I recall that I even mentioned that danger early on in that drawn out discussion
                            You certainly did! And it did cause some unpleasentness...
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                              #15
                              .....seems to be my manner blunt and no dressing

                              My Granny (Larkin) said one needs to be cruel to be kind! I might have brought that a bit further but in the end, the truth comes out.

                              Someone needs to ask the hard questions, yes?
                              Regards,
                              Dave

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