Help With KC 1957 Steinhauer & Lueck

[Hagar]

Hi All,
I am looking at this 1957 Steinhauer & Lueck Knights cross
I know WHY? i think this will ba a good starter then save for the real thing

So I need some clues on this piece was this made 1957?
the oaks have a stamp of 900 on the sword

I thankyou in advance for yuor expert opinions

regards Peter

[Dietrich Maerz]

The cross is the second model of the 1957 die so it was made way after 1957. It looks very, very new to me. Clearly not early. Save your money.

[Hagar]

Hi Dietrich,
thanks for slapping me back to my senses .... What was I thinking
I'll wait for a piece with some character
regrads Peter

[Peter Wiking]

Dietrich is correct. This set is not early 1957. It is resent set and some of these can be found with L/12 markings

Peter

[Hagar]

Hi Peter,
yes I have seen the L/12's as well ...by the way how much would a good
1939 L/12 go for now ? I have been laying low for a while and just come back on to do some more digging
regards Peter

[ekhunter]

Kc

That depends if you want a case, full length ribbon, cross condition, how marked, i.e.-L/12 800, 800 dot, and so forth. These days, for an average L/12 marked Junker cross ALONE, be ready to spend $10,000.00. Of course, that figure may be up for debate because it depends on so many factors, but I believe that's pretty close.

[Robert T.]

That depends if you want a case, full length ribbon, cross condition, how marked, i.e.-L/12 800, 800 dot, and so forth. These days, for an average L/12 marked Junker cross ALONE, be ready to spend $10,000.00. Of course, that figure may be up for debate because it depends on so many factors, but I believe that's pretty close.

There is a documented L/12 for sale here;
http://www.therupturedduck.com/WebPa...dals/M-044.htm

It is described as being early-war period and showing evidence of having been worn by the recipient in the field for quite a while.....

But the ribbon looks new and the KC document photocopy shows a March 1944 date.
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Robert

[Tiger 1]

What is with the loop on the L/12 shown on the Ruptured Duck site?

Described as being bent, but looks to have been messed with using pliers or some other hard tool?

Tony

[Dave Kane]

What is with the loop on the L/12 shown on the Ruptured Duck site?

Described as being bent, but looks to have been messed with using pliers or some other hard tool?

Tony

Tony, I doubt that the loop is original to the Cross. In fact I doubt that it's even a Juncker loop. The finish at the tip is completely atypical!

[Tiger 1]

Hi Dave,

I'm referring to the ring at the top of the KC. The one that is integral with the frame. For $16.5K no less!

Tony

[Dave Kane]

Yes, it looks to have been through the ringer alright!!

[Peter Wiking]

$16,500.00

Peter

[ekhunter]

Rk

And to think that this Ritterkreuz wasn't issued until March of 44. Now what is a early war Junker just sitting around for until 44, and then to get beat up like that in a year. Note the wear on the eye. Hmmmm!

[Oberheizer]

Hallo, I think, for all I can see on the RD-page, the RK is original and only treated badly, surely made before 08/ 44, but I agree, it is indeed unusual to have it worn like that in just one year! Maybe a mixed convolute, ready to create a nice story?