Unmarked Iron Cross 1st class, Maker help.

[Cassidy]

I Just picked this up not to long ago, It is an Unmarked EK1 in a late war LDO case. It is in very good condition and is very frosty. Would anyone know who could possibly be the Maker? Thanks

[DavidM]

Hello

My best guess at this, based on what I can see in the pictures, would be that it is a Wilhelm Deumer, maker 3 and L/11.

If you could post some sharper pictures of head on shots of the front and rear it would be of help in confirming an ID for this cross.

Regards
David

[Dave-B]

Wächtler & Lange.

[DavidM]

Wächtler & Lange.

Hello Dave

It's not often I would argue with someone of your experience, but I toyed with the possibilty that it might by Wachtler & Lange, but decided in favour of Deumer as I can't see any of W&Ls tell tale 'signatures'. Maybe it's my eyes, (I was out late last night ), but I feel, from the pictures, that it's a Deumer.

I could be wrong, I have been before and no doubt will be again, but I would argue that it's a Deumer.

Kind regards
David

[Dave-B]

I'm seeing all different pics now,the one I saw was a W&L...I'm sure it had the squashed beading.

[Dave-B]

Now it's another photo,first I saw the cross then the reverse of it now it's in the case!...still looks like a W&L.

[Dave-B]

That's definitely a Wächtler & Lange,it ain't no Deumer.

[DavidM]

Hello

I looked for the squashed beading, as my inital thought was W&L, but couldn't see any - hence why I went for Deumer. The beading to me looks pretty well even and symetrical all the way round.

I think we shall have to agree to disagree on this one. By the way, what does the latin moto in your signature mean ?

Regards
David

[Dave-B]

David can you see the photos?..one minute I can the next there is nothing showing.Can you copy and post the photos please mate?

It's my old school motto...From an acorn to an oak.

Dave

[DavidM]

Hello

Here are the photos, minus the one in the case, that Cassidy posted.

Front view.

[DavidM]

And the rear of the cross.

Can you see these ok Dave ?

[Dave-B]

Yes thank you David

Still looks like a W&L to me.

[DavidM]

Hello

That's a fine looking cross Dave, as is Cassidys. After comparing the date numerials etc from the one you have posted to the one Cassidy posted, I concede and agree that I'm wrong on this one.

Hey, the man who can't make a mistake can't make anything !!

Best regards
David

PS If you ever decide to part with that cross, let me know first !

[Dave-B]

Already sold David..sorry mate.

Dave