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    Unmarked Iron Cross 1st class, Maker help.

    I Just picked this up not to long ago, It is an Unmarked EK1 in a late war LDO case. It is in very good condition and is very frosty. Would anyone know who could possibly be the Maker? Thanks



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    Hello

    My best guess at this, based on what I can see in the pictures, would be that it is a Wilhelm Deumer, maker 3 and L/11.

    If you could post some sharper pictures of head on shots of the front and rear it would be of help in confirming an ID for this cross.

    Regards
    David

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      #3
      Wächtler & Lange.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Dave-B
        Wächtler & Lange.
        Hello Dave

        It's not often I would argue with someone of your experience, but I toyed with the possibilty that it might by Wachtler & Lange, but decided in favour of Deumer as I can't see any of W&Ls tell tale 'signatures'. Maybe it's my eyes, (I was out late last night ), but I feel, from the pictures, that it's a Deumer.

        I could be wrong, I have been before and no doubt will be again, but I would argue that it's a Deumer.

        Kind regards
        David

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          #5
          I'm seeing all different pics now,the one I saw was a W&L...I'm sure it had the squashed beading.

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            #6
            Now it's another photo,first I saw the cross then the reverse of it now it's in the case!...still looks like a W&L.

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              #7
              That's definitely a Wächtler & Lange,it ain't no Deumer.

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                #8
                Hello

                I looked for the squashed beading, as my inital thought was W&L, but couldn't see any - hence why I went for Deumer. The beading to me looks pretty well even and symetrical all the way round.

                I think we shall have to agree to disagree on this one. By the way, what does the latin moto in your signature mean ?

                Regards
                David

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                  #9
                  David can you see the photos?..one minute I can the next there is nothing showing.Can you copy and post the photos please mate?

                  It's my old school motto...From an acorn to an oak.

                  Dave

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                    #10
                    Hello

                    Here are the photos, minus the one in the case, that Cassidy posted.

                    Front view.
                    Attached Files

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                      #11
                      And the rear of the cross.

                      Can you see these ok Dave ?
                      Attached Files

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                        #12
                        Yes thank you David

                        Still looks like a W&L to me.
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                          #13
                          Hello

                          That's a fine looking cross Dave, as is Cassidys. After comparing the date numerials etc from the one you have posted to the one Cassidy posted, I concede and agree that I'm wrong on this one.

                          Hey, the man who can't make a mistake can't make anything !!

                          Best regards
                          David

                          PS If you ever decide to part with that cross, let me know first !

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                            #14
                            Already sold David..sorry mate.

                            Dave

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