Juncker crosses...the most loved Knights Cross

[Pieter Verbruggen]

... after debating the S&L crosses , and die theories, lets microscope
our beloved Juncker crosses...in a new thread.
Let's start with the first question....

HOW MANY DIFFERENT DIES ARE USED BY C.E.JUNCKER IN THEIR PRODUCTION OF KC's...?

Let's go

Pieter.

[J G]

How many do you have Pieter?

... after debating the S&L crosses , and die theories, lets microscope
our beloved Juncker crosses...in a new thread.
Let's start with the first question....

HOW MANY DIFFERENT DIES ARE USED BY C.E.JUNCKER IN THEIR PRODUCTION OF KC's...?

Let's go

Pieter.

[Michael Everett]

One

Pieter,

I can only verify one Junker die RK produced for my collection!

MIKE

[Dave Kane]

Pieter, are you asking about the core or frame?

[Biro]

We would need a database of excellent photos of unmarked, 800, 800 dot, micro, lazy and upright 2's and L/12's.....

Therefore, until such time as someone provides those photos, the only person that can answer your question is you!

Marshall

[Pieter Verbruggen]

Pieter, are you asking about the core or frame?

....you know ...the core of course
Pieter.

[Dave Kane]

Of course!!!

I'm a bit taken back however that there's not much interest in a potentially very interesting discussion....

Come on boys....I've 'heard' of 4 different cores

[Mike Kenny]

I don't have an RK, let alone a Juncker, so I can't contribute.

While we are talking about Juncker RK dies though, I would like to ask/confirm that Juncker only had one set of dies for their frames. Can that be cleared up at the beginning of this discussion?

Regards
Mike

[Dave Kane]

Mike, yes...ONE frame die! Tom Hansen contributed a wonderful study of the frames and showed a 'time line' of the minute flaws as they progressed...

Discussion regarding the cores however hasn't happened....

[Biro]

I'm a bit taken back however that there's not much interest in a potentially very interesting discussion....

Don't be...

Pieters question is akin to asking a Junior school class to discuss Algebra without even providing a text book!

I'll say it again - good close-up photo's of the full range of Juncker cores is simply not available from this sites archives.... so if indeed it is a question for the masses and not just 'the knowing', maybe Pieter could give us something to discuss!!

I only know two guys who own the full range - and one of them dosen't live here anymore..

M.

[Dave Kane]

Loud and clear M!!!

Too bad really......

[George Stimson]

Okay, I'll go first since this thread doesn't seem to be going anywhere despite the participation already of two of our best known (and best loved! ) RK collectors....
(Caveat: I'm really not any kind of knowledgable person on this subject. )
Question: Isn't there and earlier "vaulted" or "convex" core, and then a later "flat" one?

[Marc Garlasco]

George,
I have heard of two cores as well. But then, I'm an S&L guy.
Marc

[Biro]

Question: Isn't there and earlier "vaulted" or "convex" core, and then a later "flat" one?

George

This chart from Dietrich in an old thread shows the core of a non-magnetic 800 marked Juncker as being lightly vaulted... or at least 'not flat'...

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...7&postcount=94

Of interest to me also was Pieters example listed directly under it, labelled.. 'different core?'...

My Lazy 2 is also very lightly vaulted - as indeed (I think) are all Lazy 2's - so it would appear vaulting occured both at the very beginning and the very end of the Juncker spectrum.

If vaulted and flat cores can not possibly come from the same die, and Pieters is indeed different, we have at least 2 cores so far - possibly three - and we've only just started!

Marshall

[Rich G]

I don't understand this thread... there are a few here already in this thread who have several Junckers. Why have you not posted pics to show the 2 cores?