Early high quality EK 2 (Juncker?)

[meriksson]

Well Marcus i cant say for shure, but i dont think Junker did use more then one die. Or blue print for that die, but i can be wrong. I dont see Junker as a bigg suplier off ek´s, as they are so rare. So wy the need off diff types off dies?
Well this pussels me, and as i did say a L/12 mark sells.
Mikael

[MH184]

If you look on page 82 of Gordons book you'll see another example like mine.

I'm personally satisfied mine is ok for a combination of thought and reason (it's to late for me to attempt an explanation on something I'm not really versed in), if not...well bugger it, it's not he worse thing to happen to me fake wise or tampered with

[Paratrooper]

[...]but i dont think Junker did use more then one die. Or blue print for that die, but i can be wrong. I dont see Junker as a bigg suplier off ek******180;s, as they are so rare. So wy the need off diff types off dies?
Well this pussels me, and as i did say a L/12 mark sells.
Mikael

As i wrote the documents they could had made clear thinks happened during the production process of all awards made by Juncker burned during a bombardment in 1943.
I think this source of the ambiguity is one of the reasons for the the myth of the medal manufacturer Juncker.
Nearly everything we know about production process are from human sources -workers, inginieurs and so on.
What we know is that thea had a quality standart that may is the best of all makers.
We also know that 2.300.000*- 3.000.000** Eiserne Kreuze 2. Klasse und Wiederholungsspange were lent during the war.

Even if Juncker should not have manufactured so many of them as othe makers the number of crosses they made is nevertheless rather high.

As we know it from a assistant working in the Juncker factory as he was a young boy a die from a Pratrooper Badge of the Army can be used till 2 series of medals, and one series was 500 badges.

Surely we cannot transfer that absolutely to the manufacturing process from iron crosses but it shows us that they must used many dies during the war.

We know also that Juncker was endeavored to make things ever better.

Therefore I could present it to me that thay could used different types of dies.

Finally we can never know surely as it was in reality, but i think we can see a typicall character in all crosses marked L/12 witch where schow in this thread.

Niemann wrote in his book that often original unmarked Junckers where marked after leaving the firm for making money and i think there whre much fakes marked L/12. Therfore we must alltimes beeing carefull if someone offer a cross marked L/12 but we also must trust in our knowledge and if someone buy a fake it's its own debt. Most of the Juncker crosses where unmarked we know from different sources.
When you want a Juncker cross be carefull and when you catch one you will know for what you pay. Thats my opinion.

Regards
Andreas

* "Deutsche Kriegsauszeichnungen 1939-1945 Heer - Waffen-SS - Polizei" von Rolf Michaelis - Page 14
** According to computation of Thomas's William Schwarzer

[Tiger 1]

Andreas,

I'm a bit confused. Are you suggesting that a die was only good for 1000 badges being struck?

You mentioned that a die was good for two series, and that one series is 500 badges. Is this realy what you mean?

Tony

[Paratrooper]

As we know it from a assistant working in the Juncker factory as he was a young boy a die from a Pratrooper Badge of the Army can be used till 2 series of medals, and one series was 500 badges.

Surely we cannot transfer that absolutely to the manufacturing process from iron crosses but it shows us that they must used many dies during the war.

Hi Tony,

If you reads the second sentence you will notice that i don't mean what you think.
I wrote what i know about the manufacturing of the Armys Partroopers Badge.
In this case a die was used for two series and one series was 500 badges.
This knowlege comes from a discussion with the authors of that gread article, released in this Forum, about that badge.

And you can read in my posting that you cannot transfer that absolutely ...........

So i think its understandable what i wanted to say. There are much more iron crosses produced than APBs and surely the die for the crosses "lived" longer.
If we consider the high number of crosses the example with the APB shows us that there must be used a lot of dies.

I only consulted the manuifacturing of the APBs as an example for showing that a die not works a lifetime. Other manufacturers like S&L used their dies for a long time and what we have i0s a big flaw. Juncker had a higk quality standart that only can be hold if the die allways is in perfect condition.

I hope know you understand my comparison and what i want to explain using it.

Regards
Andreas