Can any of our other RK "specialists" contribute any thoughts on this?
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Where is Gordon??
BTW I also think someone tested the silver on these buggers at one time??
MadsComment
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OK, so you all knew this was coming, but I love to get this cross out......Last edited by Harry; 07-10-2007, 06:55 AM.Comment
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The frames are identical to the wartime crosses. I do beleive this is made with left-over wartime frames, the cross has a ribbon loop marked 800 65.Last edited by Harry; 07-10-2007, 06:55 AM.Comment
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This came from the estate of Fritz Burkhardt. Wartime photos of this guy show him wearing a cross which is most likely a Juncker, or any cross with over-rounded inner corners.
One observation to be made is that all the cased sets of K&Q crosses I have seen ALL have the same distinctive style case associated with K&Q, sometimes maker stamped on the lid lining, sometimes not. These cases are very peculiar to the K&Q RK, and no other maker. If these sets were post war produced, we would expect to see them with post-war cases. (The above 1957 cross is with a post-war case) Or if teamed up with original wartime cases, we would probably expect to see them with a wide variety of case patterns.
I am also of the inclination that the opening up of the former eastern block countries has much to do with emergence of mint awards. Was Oberstein in the Russian Zone in 1945?
Here is Fritz's lot..Last edited by Harry; 07-10-2007, 06:55 AM.Comment
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They have been SEM tested and went through ok,
They all have the same characteristics as known originals..Attributed examples even.
There isn't one single thing to prove them to be repro.
Only hunches and rumors.
I edited cause I missunderstood you Harry...We agree actually.
MadsComment
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And by the way...I have no problem with RKs by K&Q despite this '57 pattern, I think they are up there with the finest
Last edited by Harry; 07-10-2007, 06:55 AM.Comment
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Ludwig,Originally posted by Ludwig
this is an interesting observation. How many did you visit and how many where K&Q? This should (maybe) give a rough statistical number. I have to look up my Bowen later today - he also came across some and there should be a statistical precentage (pure and most likely inaccurate) to be established.
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I also think that that could be the case A big horde of pre-45 manufactured crosses came up from somewhere. I doubt - judging the quality - that those were made later, i.e. after the war. Idar Oberstein was in the West, I think British sector, by the way. But even If they were found in the basement of K&Q in let's say 1980 or so, why not sell them? At that point in time they were collectibles already - no longer 'forbidden items'.Originally posted by Harry
Fact is - they were not issued so they must have been stored somewhere.
DietrichComment
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Here's a copy of page 193 of Bowens book 'The Imperial and German Iron Cross' an excellent reference work.
Interesting to see that out of 40 RK examined, there's only one attributed to K&Q.
AllanLooking for information on RKT KARL HUBER
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'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it'Comment
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Allan
Nice list. The list shows makers based on the markings found ? If a K&Q or several of them was without makermark, how can we know that they are not among the crosses with only a silver mark ?
Cheers.
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Interesting also that it lists a 935-only marked cross - twice!Comment
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