Russian Horde EK?

[bratwurstdimsum]

$1000 ok I'm gonna buck the trend here (as I am wont to do ) and ask the question: If you want to pay that much for a ek1 that was never worn, awarded or probably even saw light of day why not at least go for a minty Schickle 1957 knight's cross.

I won't disclose exactly how much I paid for mine but it is about the same rarity and ballpark cost as a "horde", it cannot be passed off or mistaken for anything else (I can get a mint looking ek1 and do my salesman bit to pass it off as a "horde" find), and all of the ones I have seen are in STUNNING condition.

Most importantly, as it was bought and made early before it became a collector's market it was worn by a person with real pride and deservingly so.

[Xtracrispy69]

Why am I lookin for an EK from the Horde?

I own a few different EK's. I want something to display with a pristine original case, pristine EK, and I love the Russian aspect. If i could find a normal Ek with original case in that kind of condition I would consider. But the Russian Horde EK's are in such amazing condition.

[Michael Everett]

What?

OK, for the sake of discussion, I'll take this one. What possible historical value could a post war never formally presented '57 cross have?

The 'Russian horde pieces' are not straight from the factory but, came from a German Combat Division's award 'locker'. They were discovered in the former East and represent the finest conditioned pre-'45 produced EK1s ever discovered.

A '57 RK has absolutely no physical connection to WWII. What next, Franklin mint German Crosses?

'It is what it is': a post war 'reproduction' with no historical connection to the past,

MIKE

[Xtracrispy69]

Seems that more russian horde's with cases in that kinda condition are available then 57 ek with cases in the same condition. If I do find either I'll look at them

[Darrell]

... If you want to pay that much for a ek1 that was never worn, awarded or probably even saw light of day why not at least go for a minty Schickle 1957 knight's cross ...

I won't disclose exactly how much I paid for mine but it is about the same rarity and ballpark cost as a "horde.

I already got one of those Well not schinkel, but early any way

[Xtracrispy69]

All the 'horde' EK's with cases have looked amazing...never cease to amaze me

[Darrell]

Well I have to show mine. These were taken with a crappy camera. I really need to re-photo this guy to bring out the amazing minty-ness

Obverse:

[Darrell]

Reverse:

[Darrell]

Top of case:

[Xtracrispy69]

After that Darrell I don't need to explain why I want one like that....

[Michael Everett]

Three for the road

Xtra,

Three of mine,


MIKE

[Xtracrispy69]

Those are beauties!!! The hunt for one begins!!!

[herrgeezer]

WOW Michael!!! Condition. Condition. Condition. What a beautiful grouping you've got there. I totally understand those who like the battle worn badges but I must say your pieces are brilliant!!!!

[bratwurstdimsum]

Sorry , I shouldn't be weeing on somebody else's thread, so I'll shutup after this one. Michael. if a 57 RK is attributed to a vet, who bought it to replace one he lost or was stolen, is made (mostly) from wartime parts by people with know-how from the war, IMO it is about on par with a never awarded EK1, that's all.

>'It is what it is': a post war 'reproduction' with no historical connection to the past,
On the flipside to your arguemnt a russian horde ek1 has no connection to any heroic deeds or honor.

Darrel, nice cross!!

OK, for the sake of discussion, I'll take this one. What possible historical value could a post war never formally presented '57 cross have?

The 'Russian horde pieces' are not straight from the factory but, came from a German Combat Division's award 'locker'. They were discovered in the former East and represent the finest conditioned pre-'45 produced EK1s ever discovered.

A '57 RK has absolutely no physical connection to WWII. What next, Franklin mint German Crosses?

'It is what it is': a post war 'reproduction' with no historical connection to the past,

MIKE

[Peter Wiking]

OK, for the sake of discussion, I'll take this one. What possible historical value could a post war never formally presented '57 cross have?

The 'Russian horde pieces' are not straight from the factory but, came from a German Combat Division's award 'locker'. They were discovered in the former East and represent the finest conditioned pre-'45 produced EK1s ever discovered.

A '57 RK has absolutely no physical connection to WWII. What next, Franklin mint German Crosses?

'It is what it is': a post war 'reproduction' with no historical connection to the past,

MIKE

The 1957 awards are not without historical value. The 1957 awards are not reproductions. They are official replacement awards for those Third Reich awards,that the German soldier could not wear in public after 1957. The early 1957 awards was prodused by companys like S&L, Deumer and Assmann.

I end my reply with a photo that explain it very well.

Cheers.
Peter