Vital Information On The Rounder RK

[Pieter Verbruggen]

pieter,pieter put it in there face
you naughty boy
belgium humor ?


regards johan

....no but amusing info...
Pieter.

[johannes post]

sorry for the respond but i have found the urbanus of third reich collecting
you got me there really laughing pieter .

thanks johan

....no but amusing info...
Pieter.

[Dietrich Maerz]

Both Moderators recieved the 'draft' report and unfortunately one elected to disregard its content, while hope for a 'pinned' topic weighed on the other. I now see that no action was taken so am encouraged by this posting.

Dave,

I gave Mr. Hanson the address of Peter and established contact via e-mail. I do not see any sense as a moderator to post for a suspended member. Wouldn't you think that defies the issue?

If you suggest that any information is supressed you are completely wrong. Also, there is nothing new, nothing Mr. Hanson did not already say before. Pleaser think twice in the future before accusing me of something I've not done!

As I told Mr. Hanson via e-mail, he is absolutely convinced that he found the proper material whereas two sources - having done the same investigation - cannot do so. However, the test done by Allan also show epoxy resin and it is again nothing new. Here is nothing Mr. Hanson did not already say shortly before he was suspended.

What was not necessary were the attacks on Brian and Gordon ...

Dietrich

[Dave Kane]

Dietrich, not for Tom but for everyone else It didn't need to be identified regarding the contributor, merely posted to allow comparrison with your 'pinned' thead.

[Kevin V.]

This discussion will never end. Just believe what you want to believe.

[Dietrich Maerz]

Dave,

as I said - I gave Peter the e-mail of Mr. Hanson with the message that he wants him to post. I strongly reject the underline that I'm trying to supress (already old and mentioned ) information!

Furthermore, I would not have posted his e-mail since my ethics do not allow to call a member of this forum a liar based on what one member concludes as the unshakable truth. Do do it with censoring would put me in another hot spot, wouldn't you think so?

[johannes post]

wharfight you are right believe me when you spendt a lot of money in a item don't care wat china,diamants,medals.
and they told you they are fakes you will battle too the end of times too tell the people they are real.

i think personnely that the collecters with rounders have a real problem now.

regards johan

This discussion will never end. Just believe what you want to believe.

[Kevin V.]

wharfight you are right believe me when you spendt a lot of money in a item don't care wat china,diamants,medals.
and they told you there are fakes you will battle too the end of times too tell the people they are real.

i think personnely that the collecters with rounders have a real problem now.

regards johan

I agree!!!!!

[J G]

Well, from a personal view point the case for rounders being post war is pretty much there unless someone can post a picture of Hitler awarding one. Although, there will be some who beleive they are wartime and they are of course welcome to their opinion.

Dietrich, what about amending you're pinned thread and make it into two scientific case files. One containing your data and one containing Tom's? That way people will be able to make an informed judgement based on evidence available.

No doubt the debate will continue

[Pieter Verbruggen]

Well, from a personal view point the case for rounders being post war is pretty much there unless someone can post a picture of Hitler awarding one. Although, there will be some who beleive they are wartime and they are of course welcome to their opinion.

Dietrich, what about amending you're pinned thread and make it into two scientific case files. One containing your data and one containing Tom's? That way people will be able to make an informed judgement based on evidence available.

No doubt the debate will continue

...well here is the F******252;hrers reaction when the rounder was mentioned to him for production....
Pieter.
"NEIN,NEIN,NEIN.....DIE SOLLEN ECKIG BLEIBEN WIE ES SEIN MUSS....EIN BISCHEN ABRADIEREN WIE JUNCKER GEHT NOCH...."

[Luftm40]

Frankly, this topic is ruining the crosses forum. I just don't care anymore, and would venture to say that most feel the same way. The "is it or isn't it" argument stopped being a search for knowledge a long time ago. It is now a series of vendettas, venom and people trying to justify things in their collections (or prove that others are lying etc etc etc). Members flock to these threads for the same reason that people slow down to see a wreck by the side of the road. It has become a public spectacle. I really just don't care if they are real or fake anymore..in fact I never cared, as I would never let one darken my doorstep. Rounders stink IMO. Isn't there somethng better to talk about in the world of EK collecting? This is, after all, the "flagship" sub forum of the website..one of the things WAF was founded on. Sheeesh

[Pieter Verbruggen]

Frankly, this topic is ruining the crosses forum. I just don't care anymore, and would venture to say that most feel the same way. The "is it or isn't it" argument stopped being a search for knowledge a long time ago. It is now a series of vendettas, venom and people trying to justify things in their collections (or prove that others are lying etc etc etc). Members flock to these threads for the same reason that people slow down to see a wreck by the side of the road. It has become a public spectacle. I really just don't care if they are real or fake anymore..in fact I never cared, as I would never let one darken my doorstep. Rounders stink IMO. Isn't there somethng better to talk about in the world of EK collecting? This is, after all, the "flagship" sub forum of the website..one of the things WAF was founded on. Sheeesh

Wel Andy, why not close with the nicest one between the nicest...imagine this was a rounder

Pieter.

[johannes post]

andy why this reaction ?

a forum is for discusion and help eatchother.
i am a collecter and with the info from tom. he is helping me !
ofcourse as a so called collecter who want the top pieces.
i will spend never 5000 euro on a rounder.
i can follow the statement of pro rounder fans. but as a collecter who spend money in his collection i will think 1000 times over and over again before i buy such a rounder.

regards johan

Frankly, this topic is ruining the crosses forum. I just don't care anymore, and would venture to say that most feel the same way. The "is it or isn't it" argument stopped being a search for knowledge a long time ago. It is now a series of vendettas, venom and people trying to justify things in their collections (or prove that others are lying etc etc etc). Members flock to these threads for the same reason that people slow down to see a wreck by the side of the road. It has become a public spectacle. I really just don't care if they are real or fake anymore..in fact I never cared, as I would never let one darken my doorstep. Rounders stink IMO. Isn't there somethng better to talk about in the world of EK collecting? This is, after all, the "flagship" sub forum of the website..one of the things WAF was founded on. Sheeesh

[Luftm40]

Thanks Pieter!, but guess what, it's not a rounder, or any other weird RK variation ...it's a Juncker, like most of the crosses found in real attributed RK groupings along w a few SLs, and the later war KQ 65s.

[Luftm40]

My comments weren't directed at Tom's input, but the whole topic. In fact, I think Tom makes some good points, but they are points that have been made before ad nauseum. I think anybody that can do a word search and read can find out all they need to know about the rounder before they plop their money down...it's a dead topic IMO, now fuelled by ego and one upmanship