Opinions Please EKII Spange

[Joseph D'Errico]

Hello Gentleman,

I would appriciate any input on this spange, I have spent some time comparing it to the ones I have in my archival files as well as printed referece, but after seeking the pics of the EKI repos that were really razor sharp repos I would like some opinions on this piece. This looks like the L/12, 4 prong repo. But just thought I would post it.
Thank you in advance,
JD

[Joseph D'Errico]

more pics

[George Stimson]

Sorry

Yep, that's the bad one.

George

[Mike Kenny]

Hi Joseph,

I agree, that's what I believe to be a reproduction.

Regards
Mike K

[Joseph D'Errico]

Hello Gents,

I am trying to narrow this piece down, is this the piece that surfaced in the mid 1980s as the four prong wonder that stung quite a few collectors?

Thank you,
JD

[Mike Kenny]

Hi Joseph,

Mid to late 80s sounds about right. I was stung by this one in the early 90s.

Regards
Mike K

[George Stimson]

Joe,

Note the asymmetry in the wing feathers.



George

[Joseph D'Errico]

Hello George,

Hmmmmm.............are you drawing breasts on my repo EKII.

Seriously, thank you for pointing that out, my main focus was on the breasts....... I mean prongs. Sorry, but I could not resist.


Thank you all for the information, again I hope that some other members will benefit by this.

Cordially yours,
JD

[Tony Barto]

The prongs also should be individually soldered.

[George Stimson]

"The prongs also should be individually soldered."

Actually, while in most cases (on originals) the prongs are individually soldered, there are examples of good pieces with the bars attached as shown on Joe's clasp.

George

[Tony Barto]

Really?? Do you have one you could post, George or point me to where I could look at one? I would appreciate it and always open to learning new things!

[George Stimson]

Tony,

I don't have one, nor have I ever seen one, but Gordon has said that the type of attaching device with two bars folded over to create four prongs has been noted on original Spangen.

George

[Gordon Williamson]

Meybauer used this type of prong on their EK2 Spange as did some other firms. One of the makers of the First pattern Spange - the better looking type with the fuller chest to the eagle, also used it. It is common on fakes, but was certainly used on originals.

Here is an L/13 Spange, obtained in the original LDO box with ticket still attached.

[Tony Barto]

Thanks George and Gordon! It looks like the article on reproductions on the Members Only website needs to be corrected as it uses an EKII Spange with the crossbar type prongs as an example of a fake and even states that in the article.

[Gordon Williamson]

I dug out the First Pattern Spange with this type of prong. Here it is. Unfortunately three of the ends are broken off, but the construction is clear to see.