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    Is this a fake 1957 Knights Cross?

    Fellow Members,

    Take a look at this on eBay

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...537070925&rd=1

    This is supposed to be a 1957 Knights Cross by 'Juncker' complete with 'L/12' markings and a 'Juncker' cardboard box.

    Me thinks this is as bent as a bottle of crisps.

    I mean, what is an LDO marking doing on a 1957 award and it's case

    Am I missing something here or is the start of fake 1957 RK's hitting the market.

    Comments please...

    #2
    Originally posted by hagwalther
    Fellow Members,

    Take a look at this on eBay

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...537070925&rd=1

    This is supposed to be a 1957 Knights Cross by 'Juncker' complete with 'L/12' markings and a 'Juncker' cardboard box.

    Me thinks this is as bent as a bottle of crisps.

    I mean, what is an LDO marking doing on a 1957 award and it's case

    Am I missing something here or is the start of fake 1957 RK's hitting the market.

    Comments please...
    I think the RK could be real deal,but the "L/12" is an "add-on" by the seller,or whoever that it's.Need clear pictures to ID.

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      #3
      Originally posted by tony_tang
      I think the RK could be real deal,but the "L/12" is an "add-on" by the seller,or whoever that it's.Need clear pictures to ID.
      Fair enough Tony, but the 'LDO' case and cardboard outer - made to decieve???

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        #4
        Originally posted by hagwalther
        Fair enough Tony, but the 'LDO' case and cardboard outer - made to decieve???
        Actually I am a noob on cases and packets.
        Last edited by tony_tang; 06-03-2005, 03:17 AM.

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          #5
          Originally posted by tony_tang
          Actually I a noob on cases and packet.
          Er, whats a 'noob' mate?

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            #6
            I would not trust the box - in my opinion is a modern repro.

            The oaks are looking genuine to me - there is no detail on the reverse.

            Well, You are in a good position to buy a nice piece I suppose - there are not many fakes of the 57 version if there are any
            Last edited by Okrach; 06-03-2005, 03:13 AM.

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              #7
              Save your money.

              Cheers.
              Peter

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                #8
                Originally posted by Peter Wiking
                Save your money.

                Cheers.
                Peter
                Weee,we have got Peter here.

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                  #9
                  Thank You Peter for PM. I am willing to put Your comment here as well. Please let me know if I can do so.

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                    #10
                    You are free to do so.

                    Cheers.
                    Peter

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                      #11
                      OK here we go, let me paste the small discussion I made with Peter.

                      Quote:
                      <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> Originally Posted by Okrach
                      What is wrong with a cross? IMO the oaks are genuine - the loop is a little bit weird a la 39 but they have no detail on its back. The case is wrong but the cross?...

                      You have more experience than I do - wanna learn.

                      </td> </tr> </tbody></table>


                      There are to many questions around the set.
                      - Why all the L/12 markings ? (genuine crosses or oaks 1957, was/is not marked L/12)
                      - Why the crude ribbon loop on the oaks ?
                      - Why is the case marked/printed with 1957 and Juncker ?
                      - If genuine, why the low price ?

                      The 1957 crosses are being replicated as well as the oaks. This is not a genuine 1957 set in my opinion.
                      Go for the early sets. The early sets are close to the wartime quality.

                      Cheers.
                      Peter

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                        #12
                        Well said Peter . All is wrong with this one and as mentioned the L/12 is rather overdone . Here are a few more observations at a glance:
                        1. The oaks are not 57ers but a crude 1939 copy
                        2. I would expect a L/12 marked 1957 RK to have early quality material. This RK has 80's quality, at which time I am not aware of Juncker producing 57 RKs.
                        3. LDO case with a Juncker, surely not what it was issued in. Incidently, these LDO cases are recently made.
                        And this is without commenting on private feedback and private bidders.

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                          #13
                          Look on www.nicholasmorigi.com for repro 57 RK's. A good site for checking MOST repro's that are around.

                          Regards
                          Andy

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                            #14
                            This Kreuz not originally 1957er. It's really fake

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