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**Mian_Tang** · 06-03-2005, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by hagwalther

Fellow Members,

Take a look at this on eBay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...537070925&rd=1

This is supposed to be a 1957 Knights Cross by 'Juncker' complete with 'L/12' markings and a 'Juncker' cardboard box.

Me thinks this is as bent as a bottle of crisps.

I mean, what is an LDO marking doing on a 1957 award and it's case

Am I missing something here or is the start of fake 1957 RK's hitting the market.

Comments please...

I think the RK could be real deal,but the "L/12" is an "add-on" by the seller,or whoever that it's.Need clear pictures to ID.

**hagwalther** · 06-03-2005, 02:55 AM

Originally posted by tony_tang

I think the RK could be real deal,but the "L/12" is an "add-on" by the seller,or whoever that it's.Need clear pictures to ID.

Fair enough Tony, but the 'LDO' case and cardboard outer - made to decieve???

**Mian_Tang** · 06-03-2005, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by hagwalther

Fair enough Tony, but the 'LDO' case and cardboard outer - made to decieve???

Actually I am a noob on cases and packets.

**hagwalther** · 06-03-2005, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by tony_tang

Actually I a noob on cases and packet.

Er, whats a 'noob' mate?

**Okrach** · 06-03-2005, 03:06 AM

I would not trust the box - in my opinion is a modern repro.

The oaks are looking genuine to me - there is no detail on the reverse.

Well, You are in a good position to buy a nice piece I suppose - there are not many fakes of the 57 version if there are any

**Peter Wiking** · 06-03-2005, 03:58 AM

Save your money.

Cheers.
Peter

**Mian_Tang** · 06-03-2005, 04:02 AM

Originally posted by Peter Wiking

Save your money.

Cheers.
Peter

Weee,we have got Peter here.

**Okrach** · 06-03-2005, 04:15 AM

Thank You Peter for PM. I am willing to put Your comment here as well. Please let me know if I can do so.

**Peter Wiking** · 06-03-2005, 04:40 AM

You are free to do so.

Cheers.
Peter

**Okrach** · 06-03-2005, 06:06 AM

OK here we go, let me paste the small discussion I made with Peter.

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> Originally Posted by Okrach
What is wrong with a cross? IMO the oaks are genuine - the loop is a little bit weird a la 39 but they have no detail on its back. The case is wrong but the cross?...

You have more experience than I do - wanna learn.
</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

There are to many questions around the set.
- Why all the L/12 markings ? (genuine crosses or oaks 1957, was/is not marked L/12)
- Why the crude ribbon loop on the oaks ?
- Why is the case marked/printed with 1957 and Juncker ?
- If genuine, why the low price ?

The 1957 crosses are being replicated as well as the oaks. This is not a genuine 1957 set in my opinion.
Go for the early sets. The early sets are close to the wartime quality.

Cheers.
Peter

**Henri S** · 06-10-2005, 01:03 PM

Well said Peter

. All is wrong with this one and as mentioned the L/12 is rather overdone

. Here are a few more observations at a glance:

The oaks are not 57ers but a crude 1939 copy
I would expect a L/12 marked 1957 RK to have early quality material. This RK has 80's quality, at which time I am not aware of Juncker producing 57 RKs.
LDO case with a Juncker, surely not what it was issued in. Incidently, these LDO cases are recently made.

And this is without commenting on private feedback and private bidders.

**Andy Mac** · 06-10-2005, 02:12 PM

Look on www.nicholasmorigi.com for repro 57 RK's. A good site for checking MOST repro's that are around.

Regards
Andy

**Philips** · 06-10-2005, 02:19 PM

This Kreuz not originally 1957er. It's really fake

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