KC outer carton

[Leroy]

There is a LOT we don't know about S&L and a LOT of BS and broad statements made about wartime vs. postwar activities and products which sound great, but which are really just an effort to compensate for the knowledge we don't have.

I would like to see, in the flesh, Albert's carton and the carton offered by KMSpain, side by side, before even attempting to determine originality.

[Kevin V.]

Leroy,

This should be very interesting.

Similar outer cartons.... Does it mean that the S&l 935/4 KC is postwar?
Or does it mean that those outer cartons could have been manufactured during the war?

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Robert

Robert the first thing I notice when you posted these pics from the outer carton from Albert is the difference in colour with the one offered here.
For my own collection I would prefer the ones referred to in the other thread.

Maybe KM spain could post pics of the outer carton in natural light?

Pieter will shine in asap as I have heard he has problems with his computer!

Best regards
Kevin

[Kevin V.]

Here are three questions for KM Spain asked by Albert in the crosses section.

- is the color as gray as on the pics or more yellow in real life?
- is the top concave or flat?
- is the wording on the top of the lid just on the surface or is it deeply imprinted? You should feel it when you glide your finger over it.


Best regards
Kevin

[km-spain]

Hi, here you have the answers and a picture with natural light and no flash.

- is the color as gray as on the pics or more yellow in real life? Color is yellow in real, much more simmilar to the Albert's one
- is the top concave or flat? Top is concave
- is the wording on the top of the lid just on the surface or is it deeply imprinted? The wording is stamped and not printed, so it is deeplly imprinted

[Kevin V.]

Hi, here you have the answers and a picture with natural light and no flash.

- is the color as gray as on the pics or more yellow in real life? Color is yellow in real, much more simmilar to the Albert's one
- is the top concave or flat? Top is concave
- is the wording on the top of the lid just on the surface or is it deeply imprinted? The wording is stamped and not printed, so it is deeplly imprinted

Thanks please provide a side picture also in natural light of the marking.

Best regards
Kevin

[km-spain]

Thanks please provide a side picture also in natural light of the marking.

Best regards
Kevin

Here you have.

[Robert T.]

Let's try again..
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Robert

[James Clark]

Bottom. (This was S&L's real RZM number).

M1/63 was S&L's RZM code for insignia. I understand that S&L's RZM number for medals was M11/1 but they wouldn't have put this on anything to do with the RK since RZM numbers only applied to NSDAP material.

[Leroy]

I agree. The number is just there to "dress it up".

[javi_e]

Let's try again..

looks the same boxes to me.

[MH184]

So, the set from Albert is one of those "original" examples with the case and the RK ... or not.

I can't speak for Alan, but I'd like to respond to this.

In my opinion, no. I have handled both the 'period' and the example like yours and Albert's.

I am but one collector and this is my individual opinion, and my emphasis is concerning the carton and not the RK and the deliberation that surrounds that.

I would be very interested to hear any contrary specifics pertaining to the carton construction that would help support it being a possible wartime production.

The 'B' type carton depicted is one of several variations of a type - I would say that very example is perhaps more modern than 'earlier.'


Kr


Marcus

[Robert T.]

I can't speak for Alan, but I'd like to respond to this.

In my opinion, no. I have handled both the 'period' and the example like yours and Albert's.

I am but one collector and this is my individual opinion, and my emphasis is concerning the carton and not the RK and the deliberation that surrounds that.

I would be very interested to hear any contrary specifics pertaining to the carton construction that would help support it being a possible wartime production.

The 'B' type carton depicted is one of several variations of a type - I would say that very example is perhaps more modern than 'earlier.'





Kr


Marcus

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=336777

Albert's set is now offered on the e-stand without the outer carton....

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Robert

[Allan P.]

So, the set from Albert is one of those "original" examples with the case and the RK ... or not.

This wasn't one of the sets I was refering to.

I'm sure that Dave Kane had a crton that was regarded as an original war time issued S&L carton, but it looks like the photoshave been removed.

Allan

[km-spain]

This wasn't one of the sets I was refering to.

So for you the Albert's set was "Doesn't get much better than that" but now isn't that.

Nobody made any comment against the outer carton, so this nice set is not good, or is good everything except the carton and somebody put to an original cased RK the paper and the box ... ????

[MH184]

So for you the Albert's set was "Doesn't get much better than that" but now isn't that.

Nobody made any comment against the outer carton, so this nice set is not good, or is good everything except the carton and somebody put to an original cased RK the paper and the box ... ????

Okay, let me interject in here again.

Regarding Albert's set: the case is a standard original, the RK type has a legacy of it's own and in my opinion the outer carton is postwar.

I can't presume as to why there are no comments regarding the outer cartons authenticity at that time. So, lets just proceed from now on, if we can.

But, as i've already recommended I think your best option is the 'science' route to an undisputed resolve.